Trivia

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

R2 didn't leave early, even if you, in retrospect, wished that she did.

Not if R2 has already scored.

The OP stated left with the pitch. Runners cannot leave until the ball reaches the plate.

I stand by my call.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The OP stated left with the pitch. Runners cannot leave until the ball reaches the plate.

I stand by my call.

I assumed fast pitch, apparently so did others.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I assumed fast pitch, apparently so did others.

You did WHAT?!?!

[Gulf Coast Blue]

Runs must be scored in the correct order. A trailing runner cannot score prior to the lead runner.

That is my story and I am sticking to it.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Gulf Coast Blue

Runs must be scored in the correct order. A trailing runner cannot score prior to the lead runner.

That is my story and I am sticking to it.

Rule cite?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Rule cite?

C'mon, he said it was a story. Do you ask Sleeping Beauty the name of the matchmaking service that sent over Prince Charming?

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Rule cite?

ASA 10-1
NFHS 10-2-3g
NCAA 15.2

Seriously, there's no way in hell I'm allowing R1 to score AFTER R2 has touched the plate. I fully accept the definition of passing a runner, but that should not apply when it comes to touching home plate.

Home plate is treated differently with respect to runners touching it than other bases. If R1 passes but fails to touch any other base, and then R2 touches it, R1 still has the opportunity to correct the miss by having R2 reverse track (and touch again) that base, and then R1 touches it. The same is not true at home plate.

You can't have it both ways here. Either you recognize that in this unusual circumstance R2 passed R1, so that R2 is out, or R2 didn't pass R1, which means R1 is still forced at home and is out.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Manny A

ASA 10-1
NFHS 10-2-3g
NCAA 15.2...

I agree. this situation seems tailor-made for the god rule.

The notion of a trailing runner scoring first without passing is not covered in the rules, let alone what impact (if any) this may have on whether the lead runner is still forced.

[Gulf Coast Blue]

Originally Posted by Manny A

ASA 10-1
NFHS 10-2-3g
NCAA 15.2

Seriously, there's no way in hell I'm allowing R1 to score AFTER R2 has touched the plate. I fully accept the definition of passing a runner, but that should not apply when it comes to touching home plate.

Home plate is treated differently with respect to runners touching it than other bases. If R1 passes but fails to touch any other base, and then R2 touches it, R1 still has the opportunity to correct the miss by having R2 reverse track (and touch again) that base, and then R1 touches it. The same is not true at home plate.

You can't have it both ways here. Either you recognize that in this unusual circumstance R2 passed R1, so that R2 is out, or R2 didn't pass R1, which means R1 is still forced at home and is out.

I am going with Manny.....he is a Colonel....and out ranked anyone in my family. And he can rain down artillery anywhere he wants.

Plus, I agree with him. d;-)

Joel

[DeputyUICHousto]

Originally Posted by Manny A

ASA 10-1
NFHS 10-2-3g
NCAA 15.2

Seriously, there's no way in hell I'm allowing R1 to score AFTER R2 has touched the plate. I fully accept the definition of passing a runner, but that should not apply when it comes to touching home plate.

Home plate is treated differently with respect to runners touching it than other bases. If R1 passes but fails to touch any other base, and then R2 touches it, R1 still has the opportunity to correct the miss by having R2 reverse track (and touch again) that base, and then R1 touches it. The same is not true at home plate.

You can't have it both ways here. Either you recognize that in this unusual circumstance R2 passed R1, so that R2 is out, or R2 didn't pass R1, which means R1 is still forced at home and is out.

But, how do you handle the defensive coaches protest?