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[MD Longhorn]

Bottom of the 7th, Visitors up by 1. Bases loaded, 2 outs, full count. R2 and R3 are off on the pitch, R1 from third taking a regular lead. The ball is hit to shallow left who has a cannon arm. F7 fires home.

R2 and R1 arrive near the plate almost simultaneously, R2 sprinting, R1 jogging, unaware the ball is coming. R2 slides and touches plate just before F2 catches the ball and steps on the plate, which happens just before R1 touches the plate. As R2 is sliding, her head is behind R1's feet.

Ruling? Who wins, if anyone?

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Bottom of the 7th, Visitors up by 1. Bases loaded, 2 outs, full count. R2 and R3 are off on the pitch, R1 from third taking a regular lead. The ball is hit to shallow left who has a cannon arm. F7 fires home.

R2 and R1 arrive near the plate almost simultaneously, R2 sprinting, R1 jogging, unaware the ball is coming. R2 slides and touches plate just before F2 catches the ball and steps on the plate, which happens just before R1 touches the plate. As R2 is sliding, her head is behind R1's feet.

Ruling? Who wins, if anyone?

I have R2 out for passing R1. Third out, end of inning/game, visitors win by one.

[bsnalex]

isn't that considered passing a preceding runner before the preceding runner is put out? R2 is out. ball game.

[MD Longhorn]

What is the definition of passing?

[RKBUmp]

Rules supplement 39, runner must pass the entire body of the preceding runner to be called out.

[nopachunts]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

Rules supplement 39, runner must pass the entire body of the preceding runner to be called out.

I realize the emphasis of supplement 39, but the trailing runner touched the plate before the lead runner. If the defense appeals that this is the case, what is going to be your call as to whether R2 passed R1 or not? if you say that R2 did not pass R1 because she did not pass R1 with her entire body, how do you explain that she touched the plate first with passing.

[RKBUmp]

And if you call her out for passing, how do you explain to the offensive coach when he argues the rules state the lead runner must be physically passed and the rules supplement is clear in its statement the runner must completely pass the body of the lead runner?

I have no idea what the rules clarification may be on this from the rules committe, but based on the wording of the rule and rules supplement I do not believe you have rules basis for calling the trailing runner out for passing.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Bottom of the 7th, Visitors up by 1. Bases loaded, 2 outs, full count. R2 and R3 are off on the pitch, R1 from third taking a regular lead. The ball is hit to shallow left who has a cannon arm. F7 fires home.

R2 and R1 arrive near the plate almost simultaneously, R2 sprinting, R1 jogging, unaware the ball is coming. R2 slides and touches plate just before F2 catches the ball and steps on the plate, which happens just before R1 touches the plate. As R2 is sliding, her head is behind R1's feet.

Ruling? Who wins, if anyone?

Dead ball. R2 is out for leaving early on the pitch. Game is over

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Dead ball. R2 is out for leaving early on the pitch. Game is over

R2 didn't leave early, even if you, in retrospect, wished that she did.

Originally Posted by Okla

if she did that, NOW we have physically passing

Not if R2 has already scored.

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Not if R2 has already scored.

keep going

[DeputyUICHousto]

You cannot get the runner for passing another runner as that can only be called if the entire body is past the runner. Didn't happen here...I believe you score both runs.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Not if R2 has already scored.

But has R2 already scored? Is a runner allowed to score ahead of a preceding runner?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by celebur

But has R2 already scored? Is a runner allowed to score ahead of a preceding runner?

I grant this scenario is odd. TWP even. However, based on the rules I read, I see nothing preventing it. Do you?

Given that this would never really happen, and if it did, most umpires would likely "sell" some call that coaches would believe. But if it did, as odd as it sounds, I believe we have 2 runs here.

R2 did not pass anyone - no out there.
R2 scores, so no longer a force on R1.
R1 scores - she had to be tagged for her to be out.

2 runs - and run to your car.

[okla21fan]

Please explain how a force can be taken off, when R2 has not been put out?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

R2 didn't leave early, even if you, in retrospect, wished that she did.

Not if R2 has already scored.

The OP stated left with the pitch. Runners cannot leave until the ball reaches the plate.

I stand by my call.