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MD Longhorn Tue Jun 11, 2013 08:16am

Trivia
 
Bottom of the 7th, Visitors up by 1. Bases loaded, 2 outs, full count. R2 and R3 are off on the pitch, R1 from third taking a regular lead. The ball is hit to shallow left who has a cannon arm. F7 fires home.

R2 and R1 arrive near the plate almost simultaneously, R2 sprinting, R1 jogging, unaware the ball is coming. R2 slides and touches plate just before F2 catches the ball and steps on the plate, which happens just before R1 touches the plate. As R2 is sliding, her head is behind R1's feet.

Ruling? Who wins, if anyone?

nopachunts Tue Jun 11, 2013 08:49am

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 897118)
Bottom of the 7th, Visitors up by 1. Bases loaded, 2 outs, full count. R2 and R3 are off on the pitch, R1 from third taking a regular lead. The ball is hit to shallow left who has a cannon arm. F7 fires home.

R2 and R1 arrive near the plate almost simultaneously, R2 sprinting, R1 jogging, unaware the ball is coming. R2 slides and touches plate just before F2 catches the ball and steps on the plate, which happens just before R1 touches the plate. As R2 is sliding, her head is behind R1's feet.

Ruling? Who wins, if anyone?

I have R2 out for passing R1. Third out, end of inning/game, visitors win by one.

bsnalex Tue Jun 11, 2013 09:32am

isn't that considered passing a preceding runner before the preceding runner is put out? R2 is out. ball game.

MD Longhorn Tue Jun 11, 2013 09:37am

What is the definition of passing?

RKBUmp Tue Jun 11, 2013 09:42am

Rules supplement 39, runner must pass the entire body of the preceding runner to be called out.

nopachunts Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:47am

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Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 897134)
Rules supplement 39, runner must pass the entire body of the preceding runner to be called out.

I realize the emphasis of supplement 39, but the trailing runner touched the plate before the lead runner. If the defense appeals that this is the case, what is going to be your call as to whether R2 passed R1 or not? if you say that R2 did not pass R1 because she did not pass R1 with her entire body, how do you explain that she touched the plate first with passing.

RKBUmp Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:08am

And if you call her out for passing, how do you explain to the offensive coach when he argues the rules state the lead runner must be physically passed and the rules supplement is clear in its statement the runner must completely pass the body of the lead runner?

I have no idea what the rules clarification may be on this from the rules committe, but based on the wording of the rule and rules supplement I do not believe you have rules basis for calling the trailing runner out for passing.

MD Longhorn Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:16am

So if you don't have an out for passing ... what's your call?

CecilOne Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:33am

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 897145)
So if you don't have an out for passing ... what's your call?

Isn't R1 forced, out if not passed?

RKBUmp Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:35am

Cant find anything in the book, but unless you consider the trailing runners touch of home to have removed the force play, I would tend to believe you still have a force situation on the lead runner. 3rd out, game over.

MD Longhorn Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:47am

So the question is ... once R2 has scored, why would R1 still be forced? The base behind her is currently unoccupied - if she (for some odd reason) returned, there's no one there forcing her off the base.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 897118)
Bottom of the 7th, Visitors up by 1. Bases loaded, 2 outs, full count. R2 and R3 are off on the pitch, R1 from third taking a regular lead. The ball is hit to shallow left who has a cannon arm. F7 fires home.

R2 and R1 arrive near the plate almost simultaneously, R2 sprinting, R1 jogging, unaware the ball is coming. R2 slides and touches plate just before F2 catches the ball and steps on the plate, which happens just before R1 touches the plate. As R2 is sliding, her head is behind R1's feet.

Ruling? Who wins, if anyone?

Dead ball. R2 is out for leaving early on the pitch. Game is over

okla21fan Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:01pm

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 897153)
So the question is ... once R2 has scored, why would R1 still be forced? The base behind her is currently unoccupied - if she (for some odd reason) returned, there's no one there forcing her off the base.

if she did that, NOW we have physically passing

MD Longhorn Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:04pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 897156)
Dead ball. R2 is out for leaving early on the pitch. Game is over

R2 didn't leave early, even if you, in retrospect, wished that she did. :)

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Originally Posted by Okla
if she did that, NOW we have physically passing

Not if R2 has already scored.

okla21fan Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:21pm

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 897158)

Not if R2 has already scored.

keep going


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