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Old Fri May 31, 2013, 02:16pm
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My apologies... in trying to be brief I misled you... U 3 was exactly as you describe ... which, if a line were drawn from the plate through 2nd base to centerfield is on the "first base side"...
So ... baseball positioning for a softball game.

In any case, the answer to your initial question is that if he goes out, BU's job is what it would be in a 2-man system.
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Why is U3 standing as you desribed with heels touching Right Centerfield outfield grass a baseball position? Every NCAA and HS 3 man game I've seen has U3 in this position with a runner on first.
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Old Fri May 31, 2013, 02:47pm
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I'm trying to envision what U1 could have done that would be different than what you are used to in FED 3 umpire mechanics. AFAIK, the coverage for the play you describe is no different, U1 has all plays at 1st and 2nd and the B/R to third, PU would have the lead runner at third and home.

Then it occurred to me...did U1 stay outside the diamond instead of coming inside and using a buttonhook? That would be something that is allowed in the college mechanics, but not in the FED manual.
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Why is U3 standing as you desribed with heels touching Right Centerfield outfield grass a baseball position? Every NCAA and HS 3 man game I've seen has U3 in this position with a runner on first.
Looking at it right now. NFHS (and Cactus for that matter) both show U3 at C with a runner on first.
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Looking at it right now. NFHS (and Cactus for that matter) both show U3 at C with a runner on first.


2012 2013 NFHS Softball Umpires Manuel p49 fig25 shows "B3" as I described.
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what happened...
I was U3...
D1 partner was U1
When I went out for catch / no catch, he had tag-up and then rotated to the plate. This forced PU to third and left 2nd uncovered. He stated this was the "College mechanic".

During very cordial post game conversation I asked why he rotated and he said again that he was following NCAA manual. That's why I asked for the college guys to help. I knew he was wrong by Fed (even though he didn't think so
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Old Fri May 31, 2013, 03:57pm
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I was U3...
D1 partner was U1
When I went out for catch / no catch, he had tag-up and then rotated to the plate. This forced PU to third and left 2nd uncovered. He stated this was the "College mechanic".

During very cordial post game conversation I asked why he rotated and he said again that he was following NCAA manual. That's why I asked for the college guys to help. I knew he was wrong by Fed (even though he didn't think so
His statement is 100% incorrect in this case. If you had not gone out, it would have been 100% correct. With R1 on 1st base, 1BU doesn't begin to rotate until R1 has reached/rounded 2nd base anyway. Not sure who he thought was going to make that call...
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I was U3...
D1 partner was U1
When I went out for catch / no catch, he had tag-up and then rotated to the plate. This forced PU to third and left 2nd uncovered. He stated this was the "College mechanic".

During very cordial post game conversation I asked why he rotated and he said again that he was following NCAA manual. That's why I asked for the college guys to help. I knew he was wrong by Fed (even though he didn't think so
So, the question is whether U1/BU ever rotates to HP in a 2 ump situation, NCAA or other. I would have to look up NCAA to be sure, but otherwise, no.
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Old Fri May 31, 2013, 04:17pm
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CCA Manual: See page 96 and following. U1 never rotates to home plate.
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So, why is this person using NCAA mechanics in a HS game?
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Old Fri May 31, 2013, 08:18pm
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So, why is this person using NCAA mechanics in a HS game?
Well, he/she is not. He/she appears to be making excuses for knowing neither Fed nor NCAA mechanics.
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Why is U3 standing as you desribed with heels touching Right Centerfield outfield grass a baseball position? Every NCAA and HS 3 man game I've seen has U3 in this position with a runner on first.
And now I'm confused ... if you've seen this every time, what was your original question?
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