Appeal, then Protest, then Ejection

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I do not believe in profanity, and consider it a sign of ignorance and weak character for those who do.

I have never thrown a player out of a game for "cursing" and never will.

I have thrown a player out for cursing both in softball and in adult basketball. Only one of those cases was the ejection just because of the cursing, but it was in basketball. That case involved an adult WRECK league game being played in a middle school gym. While we were using the gym, the area outside the gym was being used by a youth camp the same day. The teams had been notified by the officials and by the site supervisor and school camp administration about the language issue. The player was known for cursing, and was given a personal warning early in the game for his language, but it wasn't loud enough to be heard outside the gym, so no T was issued. Later on he was arguing a call and ripped his jersey off on the floor, which earned him a T and 2 minutes game time on the bench (league rule). A while later he missed a shot and I hear F%^&, loud enough that it clearly be heard both inside and outside the gym. At that point he was given his walking orders. After the game, while leaving the gym he approached myself, my partner, and the camp supervisor to apologize for the language.

The other times I have tossed people for cursing was when there was the work You coming from their mouth regarding my officiating ability, combined with curse words. I'm normally calm when someone swears, but when you start making it personal, I will exercise my ability to remove you from a game.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

I have thrown a player out for cursing both in softball and in adult basketball. Only one of those cases was the ejection just because of the cursing, but it was in basketball. That case involved an adult WRECK league game being played in a middle school gym. While we were using the gym, the area outside the gym was being used by a youth camp the same day. The teams had been notified by the officials and by the site supervisor and school camp administration about the language issue. The player was known for cursing, and was given a personal warning early in the game for his language, but it wasn't loud enough to be heard outside the gym, so no T was issued. Later on he was arguing a call and ripped his jersey off on the floor, which earned him a T and 2 minutes game time on the bench (league rule). A while later he missed a shot and I hear F%^&, loud enough that it clearly be heard both inside and outside the gym. At that point he was given his walking orders. After the game, while leaving the gym he approached myself, my partner, and the camp supervisor to apologize for the language.

You were enforcing what would be considered a "ground rule" in softball, a rule specific to that facility. No problem there, though I'm not a big fan of being the "language police"

The other times I have tossed people for cursing was when there was the work You coming from their mouth regarding my officiating ability, combined with curse words. I'm normally calm when someone swears, but when you start making it personal, I will exercise my ability to remove you from a game.

The word "you" is the key. That makes it personal and even if the following word(s) isn't what others would consider profane, I really don't care what is said, it is only a word which has no more power or effect than what you afford.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Manny A

I dunno. I'm pretty tolerant myself, but if a player said, "F##k you, Blue!" to me, I'm sure I'd throw my shoulder out of socket.

The ejection is not for "F##K", it is for "YOU"....

[azbigdawg]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

You were enforcing what would be considered a "ground rule" in softball, a rule specific to that facility. No problem there, though I'm not a big fan of being the "language police"



The word "you" is the key. That makes it personal and even if the following word(s) isn't what others would consider profane, I really don't care what is said, it is only a word which has no more power or effect than what you afford.

Originally Posted by Andy

The ejection is not for "F##K", it is for "YOU"....

Pay attention here, people.... these two elderly white men are CORRECT, Everyone has their own style, but the word "YOU" is what gets the player/coach in trouble....

[Andy]

Originally Posted by azbigdawg

Pay attention here, people.... these two elderly white men are CORRECT, Everyone has their own style, but the word "YOU" is what gets the player/coach in trouble....

...as opposed to you being an elderly black man....?????

[chapmaja]

Originally Posted by azbigdawg

Pay attention here, people.... these two elderly white men are CORRECT, Everyone has their own style, but the word "YOU" is what gets the player/coach in trouble....

I would still eject,or at least warn, if the curse word is so loud that it is clearly audible to everyone in the facility. If a player hits a pop fly to the SS and screams the F-word out loud so everyone hears it, we have an issue. Now, if it is said under his breathe so only myself, the catcher and maybe the pitcher hear it, then I've got nothing. The key is the volume as well as the usage.

This goes for any sport as well. There is a certain level of sportsmanship that is expected when you step onto the playing surface in an organized game. If you are going to violate that level of sportsmanship, there will be warnings or penalties issued.

I had this in volleyball a few weeks ago. I actually yellow carded a player for saying the F-word so loud it could be heard clearly all over the gym. He had been previously warned for that behavior during the match (as well as for several previous matches during the season). He was shocked someone actually pulled a card on him for it. His language choice was not directed at anyone else (he was mad at himself), but it was still an unsportsmanlike act.

There is a difference between being the language police, and maintaining a certain level of sportsmanlike conduct on a playing field. Language police have rabbit ears for inappropriate language, umpires and officials are tuned into everything going on with the game they are working.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by chapmaja

I would still eject,or at least warn, if the curse word is so loud that it is clearly audible to everyone in the facility. If a player hits a pop fly to the SS and screams the F-word out loud so everyone hears it, we have an issue. Now, if it is said under his breathe so only myself, the catcher and maybe the pitcher hear it, then I've got nothing. The key is the volume as well as the usage.

This goes for any sport as well. There is a certain level of sportsmanship that is expected when you step onto the playing surface in an organized game. If you are going to violate that level of sportsmanship, there will be warnings or penalties issued.

I had this in volleyball a few weeks ago. I actually yellow carded a player for saying the F-word so loud it could be heard clearly all over the gym. He had been previously warned for that behavior during the match (as well as for several previous matches during the season). He was shocked someone actually pulled a card on him for it. His language choice was not directed at anyone else (he was mad at himself), but it was still an unsportsmanlike act.

There is a difference between being the language police, and maintaining a certain level of sportsmanlike conduct on a playing field. Language police have rabbit ears for inappropriate language, umpires and officials are tuned into everything going on with the game they are working.

Really? What is a curse word? Let me give you a clue, just because YOU think it is a curse or those in your neighborhood do, doesn't mean it is taken as the same elsewhere by other people.

The ignorance in this country is simply amazing for a group who claim to be so well educated. And the cowardice is coming on strong.

A word is a word. It means NOTHING unless you are foolish enough to let it control the actions of your mind. So, if you think something is profane, it is you who afforded a simple compilation of letters any meaning. Therefore, it is your mind that is in the gutter.

My ideal parent is one who hears something that they do not feel appropriate and explains to their child why that word may not be appropriate. The parent who covers the child's ears and condemns the speaker is not a good parent and simply displays the ignorance which perpetuates the myth of profanity.