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.................................................. .................. So R1 des not score because the third out occurred before R1 reached HP. Still wonder if "philosophy or just incidental diff?" .................................................. .................. Also, for others, other codes also say a run cannot score after the 3rd out. I guess I need to go to the books.
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In fact, if they were all awarded bases, wouldn't they advance even when NOT forced? And, wouldn't the run NOT score if a runner failed to advance and that (force) was appealed for the third out? How is that consistent, or logical?
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Fed (NFHS) 8-4-3a Effect
"Art.3 . . . A runner is entitled to advance without libility to be put out when: a. forced to vacate a base because the batter was awarded first base. Effect: (F.P.) The ball remains in play unless it is blocked. Any runner affected is entitled to one base and may advance farther at their own risk if the ball is in play. (S.P.) The ball is dead." Play 9.1.1 Situation D "With two outs and R1, R2, and R3 on base, B6 receivs ball four. R3 touches second and is then tagged off base for the third out before R1 has reached home base. Ruling:The run scores; R1 was awarded home as soon as ball four was declared. (8-1-3a Effect; 9-1-1 Exception b). " ![]() |
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Hey, I'm still on the top side of the grass! (Although I'm getting old.)
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Good for you. You should stop by more often.
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Nor is it listed with "awards".
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Yes... I agree that "clearly" the run should not score in NHFS... yet their own published cases and clarifications scores the run, despite the utter lack of rules support.
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I'm not a fan of the NFHS interpretation of this situation, yet they appear to be relying on the following part of the EFFECT: Any runner affected is entitled to one base and may advance farther at their own risk if the ball is in play.
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Being entitle to one base is completely different than being awarded one base... but this Don Quixote stopped trying to bash this windmill long ago.
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