Bases loaded walk...
... is R1 forced home or awarded home? I read this discussion here in the past, can't find it. Showed up on a quiz at my first meeting.
Bases loaded, 2 out. Ball 4, R1 trots home, R2 sprints to 3rd and rounds it, picked off at 3rd before R1 touches home plate. Run counts? |
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(If anyone cares, this also has different rulings amongst the various baseball rulesets as well)
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Thanks for the reply... any citation in ASA rules I can refer to on this? I got this answer marked wrong, & I did say 3 outs, no run scores.
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Why is ASA different, philosophy or just incidental diff? :confused:
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You're looking for a rule cite to prove a negative. 8-1-C says that when a batter receives four balls, she is awarded first base. 8-5-A says that runners may advance without liability to be put out when forced to vacate their base due to the batter receiving a base on balls.
You're not going to find a rule that says, runners are NOT awarded a base when forced to vacate their bases due to a batter receiving a base on balls. Just that they are allowed to advance 1 base. Therefore, if someone gets out before a teammate crosses the plate, just like any other time in the game, the run does not score. |
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So my question would be - why is everyone else different? |
Exactly Mike, that's why my OP started with the force/award question. The test I took was PONY rules; I will check to see if PONY considers all the runners forced to advance. If so, then I can assume the same interp as ASA.
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Here is the ruling from the ISF.
R1’s run does not count. See ISF Rule 7 a “one run shall be scored each time a runner legally touches first, second, third bases and home plate before the third out of the inning.” Since R2 was picked off at 3rd base before R1 touched home plate, the run does not score. |
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ASA rules also specifically note that a run cannot score after the 3rd out of the half inning has been executed. |
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Also, 9-1-1 Exception f covers when a runner crosses the plate after a preceding runner is declared the third out. That's what happened here. If NFHS wants the run to score in this situation, it needs to have an Exception to this Exception so that it's clear, such as: "f. when a runner crosses home plate after a preceding runner is declared the third out, unless that runner is forced home because the batter was awarded first base." |
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(snip) it needs to have an Exception to this Exception so that it's clear, such as: (snip) "exception to this exception" I like that. ;-) |
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.................................................. .................. So R1 des not score because the third out occurred before R1 reached HP. Still wonder if "philosophy or just incidental diff?" .................................................. .................. Also, for others, other codes also say a run cannot score after the 3rd out. I guess I need to go to the books. |
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