Getting Help From Player

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Far far away ..

I had a different play to the OP - but similar in terms of help being offered.

Tag play at 3rd base, ball coming in from left field and I got straight lined with the runners body (sliding) in between me and the low tag. I couldn't see contact and called safe.

F5 is less than impressed asks me to go for help - my partner doesn't have clear contact either and so the call stands.

Then the runner fesses up and says "he got me". At which point I said "well if you want to give yourself up ...." and so he abandoned the base and I called him out crossing into dead ball territory.
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I thought it was classy of the runner to both admit he was tagged and give up the base and I complimented him on his sporting behaviour.

Hmmph. If he was so sporting, why didn't he admit he was tagged as soon as you made the Safe call? He didn't fess up until after F5 asked you to get help, you went to your partner, and your partner said he saw nothing different.

Also, I assume that since you went to your partner for help, you called Time first, and play was not resumed when the runner left the base. Can you make an abandonment call on a dead ball?

[Far far away ..]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Hmmph. If he was so sporting, why didn't he admit he was tagged as soon as you made the Safe call? He didn't fess up until after F5 asked you to get help, you went to your partner, and your partner said he saw nothing different.

Also, I assume that since you went to your partner for help, you called Time first, and play was not resumed when the runner left the base. Can you make an abandonment call on a dead ball?

Slow pitch co-ed, so yes time had long since been called.

Speaking ASA, 8.7.U talks about a runner abandoning base and entering team area without qualifying if ball is live or not - so I think we're OK there.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Far far away ..

Speaking ASA, 8.7.U talks about a runner abandoning base and entering team area without qualifying if ball is live or not - so I think we're OK there.

Really? So if I call Time because the coach wants to make a pitching change, and a runner goes into the dugout to get a drink of water during the break, I can call her out for abandonment?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Really? So if I call Time because the coach wants to make a pitching change, and a runner goes into the dugout to get a drink of water during the break, I can call her out for abandonment?

I hope you have a getaway driver waiting for you

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I hope you have a getaway driver waiting for you

No kidding.

But it does beg the question (and forgive me for using that phrase incorrectly, whoever dinged me for using it the last time!): Since ASA 8-7-U doesn't specify that abandonment can only happen when the ball is Live, is it appropriate to call a runner out for abandoning the base and entering DBT after an umpire had called Time?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

No kidding.

But it does beg the question (and forgive me for using that phrase incorrectly, whoever dinged me for using it the last time!): Since ASA 8-7-U doesn't specify that abandonment can only happen when the ball is Live, is it appropriate to call a runner out for abandoning the base and entering DBT after an umpire had called Time?

I would say no.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Manny A

No kidding.

But it does beg the question (and forgive me for using that phrase incorrectly, whoever dinged me for using it the last time!): Since ASA 8-7-U doesn't specify that abandonment can only happen when the ball is Live, is it appropriate to call a runner out for abandoning the base and entering DBT after an umpire had called Time?

Of course not. It also doesn't specify a runner is out if tagged with a ball when off a base can only happen when the ball is live, either. Some things are just assumed as common sense.

Suffice it to say that, in general, only dead ball appeals can generate an out when the ball isn't live. Interesting question for the masses; who can name other instances noted in the rules?

The only one I can think of off hand is the out for playing short-handed when that position comes up to bat. Any others?

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Suffice it to say that, in general, only dead ball appeals can generate an out when the ball isn't live. Interesting question for the masses; who can name other instances noted in the rules?

The only one I can think of off hand is the out for playing short-handed when that position comes up to bat. Any others?

I would think that a batter who steps in the box with an illegal bat would be one. Play could still be dead from previous action, and there is no need for the opposing team to appeal if the PU notices the infraction.

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

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Suffice it to say that, in general, only dead ball appeals can generate an out when the ball isn't live. Interesting question for the masses; who can name other instances noted in the rules?

The only one I can think of off hand is the out for playing short-handed when that position comes up to bat. Any others?

Not an appeal: The base runners switch positions on the bases they occupied following any conference. ASA 8.7.Y

The bonus is that you get to dump the manager too. Booyah!

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Manny A

...But it does beg the question (and forgive me for using that phrase incorrectly, whoever dinged me for using it the last time!)...

That was me, and no, I won't forgive you since you obviously know you are using it wrongly, and intend to continue to do so.

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by Dakota

That was me, and no, I won't forgive you since you obviously know you are using it wrongly, and intend to continue to do so.

He's not using it "wrongly". He's using it "incorrectly".

Rita