Getting Help From Player

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Manny A

Really? So if I call Time because the coach wants to make a pitching change, and a runner goes into the dugout to get a drink of water during the break, I can call her out for abandonment?

I hope you have a getaway driver waiting for you

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I hope you have a getaway driver waiting for you

No kidding.

But it does beg the question (and forgive me for using that phrase incorrectly, whoever dinged me for using it the last time!): Since ASA 8-7-U doesn't specify that abandonment can only happen when the ball is Live, is it appropriate to call a runner out for abandoning the base and entering DBT after an umpire had called Time?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Manny A

No kidding.

But it does beg the question (and forgive me for using that phrase incorrectly, whoever dinged me for using it the last time!): Since ASA 8-7-U doesn't specify that abandonment can only happen when the ball is Live, is it appropriate to call a runner out for abandoning the base and entering DBT after an umpire had called Time?

I would say no.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Manny A

No kidding.

But it does beg the question (and forgive me for using that phrase incorrectly, whoever dinged me for using it the last time!): Since ASA 8-7-U doesn't specify that abandonment can only happen when the ball is Live, is it appropriate to call a runner out for abandoning the base and entering DBT after an umpire had called Time?

Of course not. It also doesn't specify a runner is out if tagged with a ball when off a base can only happen when the ball is live, either. Some things are just assumed as common sense.

Suffice it to say that, in general, only dead ball appeals can generate an out when the ball isn't live. Interesting question for the masses; who can name other instances noted in the rules?

The only one I can think of off hand is the out for playing short-handed when that position comes up to bat. Any others?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Manny A

...But it does beg the question (and forgive me for using that phrase incorrectly, whoever dinged me for using it the last time!)...

That was me, and no, I won't forgive you since you obviously know you are using it wrongly, and intend to continue to do so.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Suffice it to say that, in general, only dead ball appeals can generate an out when the ball isn't live. Interesting question for the masses; who can name other instances noted in the rules?

The only one I can think of off hand is the out for playing short-handed when that position comes up to bat. Any others?

I would think that a batter who steps in the box with an illegal bat would be one. Play could still be dead from previous action, and there is no need for the opposing team to appeal if the PU notices the infraction.

[MD Longhorn]

BOO can result in an out during a dead ball... yeah, I know that's kind of an appeal too, but I don't think that's what you meant when you said, "dead ball appeal". I could be wrong.

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

[...]

Suffice it to say that, in general, only dead ball appeals can generate an out when the ball isn't live. Interesting question for the masses; who can name other instances noted in the rules?

The only one I can think of off hand is the out for playing short-handed when that position comes up to bat. Any others?

Not an appeal: The base runners switch positions on the bases they occupied following any conference. ASA 8.7.Y

The bonus is that you get to dump the manager too. Booyah!

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by Dakota

That was me, and no, I won't forgive you since you obviously know you are using it wrongly, and intend to continue to do so.

He's not using it "wrongly". He's using it "incorrectly".

Rita

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Rita C

He's not using it "wrongly". He's using it "incorrectly".

Rita

Using the adverb "wrongly" may be unusual, but it is not incorrect. Most people in the USA would merely use the word "wrong" as an adverb. But, then, most people (even ad writers for a certain car company) use "begs the question" wrong!

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Using the adverb "wrongly" may be unusual, but it is not incorrect. Most people in the USA would merely use the word "wrong" as an adverb. But, then, most people (even ad writers for a certain car company) use "begs the question" wrong!

It isn't incorrect to use "ain't" either but it isn't the best choice.

Rita

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Rita C

It isn't incorrect to use "ain't" either but it isn't the best choice.

Rita

"ain't" is slang (or used to be anyway); "wrongly" ain't.

[Umpteenth]

Maybe Rita's just trying to take preventative action.

I have yet to understand how a noun became an adjective.

[MD Longhorn]

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