Batter Interference?

[Manny A]

ASA 18U rec game, and I'm solo. R1 at third base. Pitch is in the dirt, and the ball ends up behind the right-handed batter still in her box. The batter scoots back to get out of the box, anticipating I suppose that R1 would try to score, and she doesn't want to be in the way. She unintentionally heel-kicks the ball as she backs out, and the ball rolls to the backstop, allowing R1 to easily score. If the batter hadn't kicked it, R1 would not have even tried to come home, I'm sure.

Is this cause for an interference call under 7-6P, Q or S? Would it have mattered if the ball was out of the box when the batter kicked it?

[Andy]

Well....7-6-P wouldn't apply, since the catcher is not throwing or catching a ball.

7-6-S probably doesn't apply since there is no play at the plate as I read your description.

7-6-Q could be used to call the interference, since the batter is activey moving and kicks the ball away, hindering the catcher from retrieving it.

I need to know a bit more, however. Was there a play that was being interferred with by the batter contacting the ball? From your description, it doesn't seem that R1 is trying to advance home until after the ball is kicked away. If F2 was able to retrieve the ball would there be a play on R1 at third? If not, could you just kill the ball, put R1 back at third and play from there? 7-6-S has an exception similar to this, but specifically mentions a batter making contact with a return throw from the catcher to the pitcher.

[MD Longhorn]

You can't call someone out unless the batter's actions prevented a reasonable chance at an out. But at the same time, you can't allow batter's actions to provide an unearned advantage for the offense. Kill the play and move on. No out, no run. Runner on 3rd.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

You can't call someone out unless the batter's actions prevented a reasonable chance at an out. But at the same time, you can't allow batter's actions to provide an unearned advantage for the offense. Kill the play and move on. No out, no run. Runner on 3rd.

Rule reference?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by SRW

Rule reference?

I can see using the exception to 7.6.P-S for not calling the out.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I can see using the exception to 7.6.P-S for not calling the out.

I disagree. The batter did not "accidentally make contact with the catcher's return throw to the pitcher." In the OP, the batter actively hindered the catcher while in the batter's box. There was no throw yet... F2 didn't have the ball. I'm using 7-6-Q and getting an out here, not the exception.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by SRW

Rule reference?

What would be the rule reference for CALLING an out?

[Tex]

Quote by Texas State Rule's Interpreter (ASA and NFHS), pertaining to a similar play, a few years ago.

Pitch ball bounces off catcher and/or backstop. The ball goes between the batter’s legs still in the batter’s box. Batter kicks the ball as she moves out of the batter’s box.

Umpire: Batter interference, batter out, runner back to previous base. The key is a movement by the batter that hinders the catcher. A batter does not have to move, reason being that if we make them move, they are subject to be called out for interference.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

What would be the rule reference for CALLING an out?

7-6-Q. See above.

Now answer my question to you.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by Andy

I need to know a bit more, however. Was there a play that was being interferred with by the batter contacting the ball? From your description, it doesn't seem that R1 is trying to advance home until after the ball is kicked away. If F2 was able to retrieve the ball would there be a play on R1 at third? If not, could you just kill the ball, put R1 back at third and play from there? 7-6-S has an exception similar to this, but specifically mentions a batter making contact with a return throw from the catcher to the pitcher.

That's the crux of the issue. To me, the batter did nothing wrong. She actually tried to do the right thing by backing out of the box to avoid any possible play at home, and kicked the ball that she had no idea was behind her feet.

I suppose the 7-6P-S Exception could apply. The batter did prevent the catcher from retrieving the ball while there was no play being made. It would have been a stretch for me to assume the incident prevented F2 from making a play on R1 going back to third base.