Batter runner in jeopardy?

[jmkupka]

after beating the throw at 1B, BR veers into foul territory. The throw gets past F3, but F2 is right there to back it up. Seeing it get past F3, BR flinches toward 2B, but thinks better of it:

a) after turning to the right
b) after turning to the left

All this happens in foul territory.
Is the BR in jeopardy in a or b or both?

The foul ground aspect is my question... the "flinch" was big enough to warrant jeopardy if it was in fair territory...

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

after beating the throw at 1B, BR veers into foul territory. The throw gets past F3, but F2 is right there to back it up. Seeing it get past F3, BR flinches toward 2B, but thinks better of it:

a) after turning to the right
b) after turning to the left

All this happens in foul territory.
Is the BR in jeopardy in a or b or both?

The foul ground aspect is my question... the "flinch" was big enough to warrant jeopardy if it was in fair territory...

Look in the rules and see if runner's position at the time of the flinch is part of the determination.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

after beating the throw at 1B, BR veers into foul territory. The throw gets past F3, but F2 is right there to back it up. Seeing it get past F3, BR flinches toward 2B, but thinks better of it:

a) after turning to the right
b) after turning to the left

All this happens in foul territory.
Is the BR in jeopardy in a or b or both?

The foul ground aspect is my question... the "flinch" was big enough to warrant jeopardy if it was in fair territory...

I don't believe "fair or foul" territory has an bearing on this play. Rule 8-7-h talks about an attempt to run to second base. Is flinching an attempt? Sounds like a HTBT.

I'm probably not seeing that as an attempt to run to 2B.

[jmkupka]

Hey Chess,

Instead of "flinch", let's say "full step towards 2b" but all still in foul ground.
If fair or foul has no bearing on the matter, then I was correct in my out call.
Thanks.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

I don't believe "fair or foul" territory has an bearing on this play. Rule 8-7-h talks about an attempt to run to second base. Is flinching an attempt? Sounds like a HTBT.

I'm probably not seeing that as an attempt to run to 2B.

You said:

I don't believe "fair or foul" territory has an bearing on this play. Rule 8-7-h talks about an attempt to run to second base.

He already stated:

the "flinch" was big enough to warrant jeopardy if it was in fair territory...

So how can you say?

I'm probably not seeing that as an attempt to run to 2B

Just curious.

[jwwashburn]

Which set of rules?

I have to echo Rich and ask if you checked the book right after the game.

[Chess Ref]

I'll try and explain my thinking.

I was clarifying that it doesn't matter if the flinch occurred in fair/foul territory.

So it seems he's applying a standard (if she's in fair) that doesn't matter or exist. A flinch to me is moving my head quickly at a backstop on a foul ball.

There can a pretty big gap between a flinch, and attempting to run to 2B.

He saw a flinch as an attempt,good enough for me. I see a flinch as a minor movement of the head, elbow, or other body part. I see an attempt along the lines of a step towards 2B.

Confused now ? I am.

[jmkupka]

I'd like PONY and ASA's ruling. Happened last night, just thinking about it now (in work, instead of working ), so no book to refer to...

[jwwashburn]

ASA just says she can be tagged if she makes an attempt. The Rules supplement specifically says fair/foul is irrelevant.