Another Illegal pitch

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by ronald

Based on 2003 case book, illegal pitch. Ball in both hands for 1 second.

Ron, no one is arguing that is the rulte, but it is pretty clear that as has been pointed out that this is not the interpretation, nor has it been.

I do wish it would be called that way, but it is not. That is why I also wish ASA would move to the 2-second pause as in ISF.

If you were responding to my request for citation, I specifically asked for citation concerning the pitcher "starting" her pitching motion prior to separating of the hands.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

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If you were responding to my request for citation, I specifically asked for citation concerning the pitcher "starting" her pitching motion prior to separating of the hands.

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[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

...If you were responding to my request for citation, I specifically asked for citation concerning the pitcher "starting" her pitching motion prior to separating of the hands.

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

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Fed.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Fed.

I stand corrected, FED states

6-1 ART. 2 . . . About the Pitch:
a. The pitch starts when one hand is taken off the ball or the pitcher makes any motion that is part of the windup after the hands have been brought together.

However, I've lost the train of thought as to how this relates to the OP question of an illegal pitch....
Let me go back and see if I can get back in the groove (Embarrassed)

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

Quote:6-1 ART. 2 . . . About the Pitch:
a. The pitch starts when one hand is taken off the ball or the pitcher makes any motion that is part of the windup after the hands have been brought together.

However, I've lost the train of thought as to how this relates to the OP question of an illegal pitch....
Let me go back and see if I can get back in the groove (Embarrassed)

Okay, I'm working on ASA, but let's go with this NFHS rule for a second.

This would cover the OP assuming you consider the act of bringing the hands together part of the pitching motion.

However, the comment I'm questioning is starting a pitching motion before the hands are separated. And again, even if there were something in ASA, now you would need to define a "pitching motion" 'cause there are probably as many of those as there are umpires.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

...However, the comment I'm questioning is starting a pitching motion before the hands are separated. And again, even if there were something in ASA, now you would need to define a "pitching motion" 'cause there are probably as many of those as there are umpires.

In my original response, I was just responding to the technical point about when the pitch starts by rule, not whether the OP pitcher was violating any rule.

Definitionally in ASA, nothing before the hands separating is part of the pitch, so if it was illegal in ASA, it would have to be illegal preliminaries, not illegal pitching motion per se. re: the OP, the pitcher is not violating any of the preliminaries with the possible exception of the 1 sec touch, and by interpretation, ASA allows touch and go, so nothing there, either.

NFHS, OTOH, allows the umpire to determine the start of the windup as the start of the pitch, which can occur before the hands separate, but not before the hands come together. So, again, the OP pitcher is not violating any NFHS rule, either (apart from the technical 1 sec violation).

[Az.Ump]

So prior to the hands coming together any motion resembling a pitch is legal?

Situation: Runner(s) on base outs don't matter. After getting her signals the pitcher strides forward, drags her pivot foot and windmills but does not throw the ball. She remains inside the circle and never brought her hands together. Runner(s) seeing what they believe is a pitch leave their base(s). Runner out for being off base with F1 having the ball in the circle or illegal pitch? If illegal pitch which rule did she violate ASA or FED?

Paul