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Andy Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:51am

Another Illegal pitch
 
18u tournament yesterday, I'm going to do my best to describe the actions of this pitcher to get your opinions.

Left handed pitcher, steps onto the pitchers plate legally, pauses, she begins by holding her right hand straight up in the air over her head with the ball in her left hand hanging down by her side. She swings her left hand with the ball in it up, touches it to her glove that is still over her head, and completes her windmill motion to deliver the ball to the batter.

What do you think?

HugoTafurst Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy (Post 847230)
18u tournament yesterday, I'm going to do my best to describe the actions of this pitcher to get your opinions.

Left handed pitcher, steps onto the pitchers plate legally, pauses, she begins by holding her right hand straight up in the air over her head with the ball in her left hand hanging down by her side. She swings her left hand with the ball in it up, touches it to her glove that is still over her head, and completes her windmill motion to deliver the ball to the batter.

What do you think?

I am not picturing anything illegal.

RKBUmp Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:54am

Any clinic I have ever been in they have said the hands merely need to touch together, based on that I would say legal.

Per the letter of the rule, where the hands brought together for a minimum of 1 second?

Dutch Alex Mon Jun 25, 2012 01:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 847235)
Any clinic I have ever been in they have said the hands merely need to touch together, based on that I would say legal.

Per the letter of the rule, where the hands brought together for a minimum of 1 second?

Like: One-Mis-se-sip-py?
slow enough that it really takes a full second!

(I belief in ISF-rules it must be 2 seconds.)

Andy Mon Jun 25, 2012 01:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RKBUmp (Post 847235)
Any clinic I have ever been in they have said the hands merely need to touch together, based on that I would say legal.

Per the letter of the rule, where the hands brought together for a minimum of 1 second?

No...and this is the part of the rule my PU partner cited in making the call.

I know that the interpretation has been very lenient on the "one second" piece and as long as the hands came together, it was OK.

I also realize that it can be difficult to visualize this without seeing it, but her hands coming together was literally a brush of the ball against her glove with no discernable stop in her arm motion.

RKB - next time I see you, remind me to demonstrate.

CecilOne Mon Jun 25, 2012 02:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy (Post 847259)
No...and this is the part of the rule my PU partner cited in making the call.

I know that the interpretation has been very lenient on the "one second" piece and as long as the hands came together, it was OK.

I also realize that it can be difficult to visualize this without seeing it, but her hands coming together was literally a brush of the ball against her glove with no discernable stop in her arm motion.

RKB - next time I see you, remind me to demonstrate.

No stop is required as long as the "one second' ;) is met.

Az.Ump Mon Jun 25, 2012 06:38pm

Illegal pitch. She is starting her pitching motion prior to separating her hands.

Paul

IRISHMAFIA Mon Jun 25, 2012 08:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Az.Ump (Post 847292)
Illegal pitch. She is starting her pitching motion prior to separating her hands.

Paul

Citation please

ronald Mon Jun 25, 2012 09:38pm

Based on 2003 case book, illegal pitch. Ball in both hands for 1 second.

IRISHMAFIA Tue Jun 26, 2012 06:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronald (Post 847313)
Based on 2003 case book, illegal pitch. Ball in both hands for 1 second.

Ron, no one is arguing that is the rulte, but it is pretty clear that as has been pointed out that this is not the interpretation, nor has it been.

I do wish it would be called that way, but it is not. That is why I also wish ASA would move to the 2-second pause as in ISF.

If you were responding to my request for citation, I specifically asked for citation concerning the pitcher "starting" her pitching motion prior to separating of the hands.

HugoTafurst Tue Jun 26, 2012 07:31am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 847358)
(snip)
If you were responding to my request for citation, I specifically asked for citation concerning the pitcher "starting" her pitching motion prior to separating of the hands.

baseball

:eek::rolleyes::eek:

Dakota Wed Jul 04, 2012 09:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 847358)
...If you were responding to my request for citation, I specifically asked for citation concerning the pitcher "starting" her pitching motion prior to separating of the hands.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst (Post 847362)
baseball

:eek::rolleyes::eek:

Fed.

Az.Ump Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 847304)
Citation please

Before starting the delivery (pitch), the pitcher shall comply with the following:

EFFECT - Sections 1-5, 7,8:
A. Any infraction of Sections 1-5, 7, 8 is an illegal pitch.

Paul

x-tremeump Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:43pm

xtreamump
 
The OP said that a left handed pitcher has her right hand straight up and during the pitch she just touches the glove over her head when she is in full windmill ?? It is very hard to "Believe" or "Pitcher" but it does sound like an advantage is being gained by the F1.

IRISHMAFIA Thu Jul 05, 2012 07:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Az.Ump (Post 848163)
Before starting the delivery (pitch), the pitcher shall comply with the following:

EFFECT - Sections 1-5, 7,8:
A. Any infraction of Sections 1-5, 7, 8 is an illegal pitch.

Paul

Rule set?


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