substitution rule

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by 3afan

nothing wrong with a few local rules IMO if they make sense for that league/age and they are understood by all

Make sense and understood? OK!

[Dutch Alex]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Make sense and understood? OK!

Multiple organisations, even in one country, I can understand. However, one sport, one set of rules!
Do they play basketball in Russia with another rule-set, compared to the NBA? I guess not. Soccer in Rio is the same as, right now played, in Poland/Ukraine.

Softball should be played all over the world with the same rules. I don't think it make sense to have local bylaws and I will not understand it either. I do, however, know how it happened that we have several organisations and it makes me sad. I wish all of us can accept the concept of one rule-set; I.m.h.o. that should be ASA or ISF...

(Let me be a dreamer: peace in our days, all working together, Softball back at Olympus)

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by Dutch Alex

Multiple organisations, even in one country, I can understand. However, one sport, one set of rules!
Do they play basketball in Russia with another rule-set, compared to the NBA? I guess not. Soccer in Rio is the same as, right now played, in Poland/Ukraine.

Softball should be played all over the world with the same rules. I don't think it make sense to have local bylaws and I will not understand it either. I do, however, know how it happened that we have several organisations and it makes me sad. I wish all of us can accept the concept of one rule-set; I.m.h.o. that should be ASA or ISF...

(Let me be a dreamer: peace in our days, all working together, Softball back at Olympus)

Gawd, you are the dreamer, Sander.
One rule set would be beautiful for us umpires and probably great for the coaches and players - but there are people involed - so we have politics., and that just won't sit with those folks.

[ASABLUE]

Leagues should be permitted to create any of their own rules they want. They pay to play. As umpires we are required to know the different league rules. That's why we get paid the big bucks, right? Remember the teams are our clients- we serve their needs , not the other way around. Oh, and as for having different rules in the same game- AL has a DH and the NL does not.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by ASABLUE

Leagues should be permitted to create any of their own rules they want. They pay to play. As umpires we are required to know the different league rules. That's why we get paid the big bucks, right? Remember the teams are our clients- we serve their needs , not the other way around. Oh, and as for having different rules in the same game- AL has a DH and the NL does not.

That's true, but there is no requirement that we umpire those leagues.

And yet, when MLB plays interleague the visting team has to play by the umpire's rules, right?

[Dutch Alex]

Originally Posted by Steve M

Gawd, you are the dreamer, Sander.
One rule set would be beautiful for us umpires and probably great for the coaches and players - but there are people involed - so we have politics., and that just won't sit with those folks.

Steve, I know, that I am a dreamer! I still love to hear the Beatles, dreaming and singing about a better world. And yes I know that people are involved, playing their politic-plays, but that doesn't mean that I have to like it. Does it?
Over here in the Neth.'s we're facing a growing problem concerning the number of umpire's available. The clubs form our federation, so they have a big vote in the way the federation is working. For years we, umpires -without a vote-, ask for more umpires and that the clubs should invest and educate new umpires. The clubs don't want that (it costs money and time), but complain that no umpires are assigned to their games... People and politics, bad combination

I still believe that every sport should have only one rule-set, it's the best for all -players, officials, coaches and spectators. Even knowing that I'm only shouting in the dessert

@ASABLUE,

Originally Posted by ASABLUE

AL has a DH and the NL does not.

Indeed we work with a DP, not the DH -following the ISF-rules. (NL = short for Netherlands)
Or were you referring to small-ball? In that case see above: one sport, one rule-set! I don't care about the amount of money involved, nor the influence the different leagues have or not have.

[3afan]

Originally Posted by Dutch Alex

Multiple organisations, even in one country, I can understand. However, one sport, one set of rules!
Do they play basketball in Russia with another rule-set, compared to the NBA? I guess not. Soccer in Rio is the same as, right now played, in Poland/Ukraine.

Softball should be played all over the world with the same rules. I don't think it make sense to have local bylaws and I will not understand it either. I do, however, know how it happened that we have several organisations and it makes me sad. I wish all of us can accept the concept of one rule-set; I.m.h.o. that should be ASA or ISF...

(Let me be a dreamer: peace in our days, all working together, Softball back at Olympus)

by the way they do play basketball in Russia with a different rule set than the NBA

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by 3afan

by the way they do play basketball in Russia with a different rule set than the NBA

So the the NCAA & NFHS & AAU and probably every other roundball organization.

[CecilOne]

You all lost track of the original comments about local and league rules and how vague, ambiguous and incomplete they usually are. Not that book rules are always specific, precise and complete, but at least they try to be.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Dutch Alex

...
Do they play basketball in Russia with another rule-set, compared to the NBA?...

Yes, they do.