DP/FLEX case 120516a

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I posted this for instructional purposes, although already knew the rule and informed the coach exactly what RKBUmp said.

I thought it was worth presenting because my partner struggled with it a bit (possibly just the coach's explanation) and apparently, an ump in another County allowed the last part (Donna (DP/pitcher) field only ).

So Donna cannot play the field only- because she originally subbed in as a DP.

[RKBUmp]

I have to admit just reading it I wasn't following what he was doing but once I started laying it out on a lineup card it was pretty obvious

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

So Donna cannot play the field only- because she originally subbed in as a DP.

Correct.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

Correct.

Thank you.

I haven't umpired in two seasons and figured I'd tackle my weak spot first. Which is the Dp/Flex .

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

Correct.

I guess it's a matter of semantics....

And as I've said before - I'm not anti-semantic!!

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

So Donna cannot play the field only- because she originally subbed in as a DP.

See the above explainations - Donna CAN play the field only - by having the FLEX bat for her when her at bat comes up...... but she can only re-enter once -
Donna (the DP) she can play defense till her at bat comes up (then the FLEX takes her place and Donna has left the game).
When her team goes back on defense, Donna can re-enter as the DP playing in the field.
THEN when Donna's turn to bat comes up again, the FLEX can bat for her.
Donna will have again left the game, but can not return...

So yes, Donna CAN play defense only (for a limited time).

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

See the above explainations - Donna CAN play the field only - by having the FLEX bat for her when her at bat comes up...... but she can only re-enter once -
Donna (the DP) she can play defense till her at bat comes up (then the FLEX takes her place and Donna has left the game).
When her team goes back on defense, Donna can re-enter as the DP playing in the field.
THEN when Donna's turn to bat comes up again, the FLEX can bat for her.
Donna will have again left the game, but can not return...

So yes, Donna CAN play defense only (for a limited time).

This helps alot. Thanks. Now did you have to think that through or was that answer by the seat of your pants ?

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

This helps alot. Thanks. Now did you have to think that through or was that answer by the seat of your pants ?

Whenever a coach comes up with one of these schemes, I have to slow down.
Sometimes I have to translate what they are saying they want to do into what they are actually doing.


Like in the example above, I really don't care what you called it, playing defense only or being replaced when she came to bat, the important thing was to know that she could only re-enter to play defense once...

Clear?

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

Whenever a coach comes up with one of these schemes, I have to slow down.
Sometimes I have to translate what they are saying they want to do into what they are actually doing.

I'm the same way.
I utilize EA's lineup card management system.....it helps me keep straight what the coach can or cannot legally do regarding the use of his DP/Flex.

[x-tremeump]

Those are the only two possible things a coach can legally do with the FLEX/DP so make sure you have perfect clarity on which they want, and if necessary be ready to explain what that change does to their ability to re-enter later.

If the coach wants to switch the DP for the Flex, is that a substitution ? If the DP gets on base can they switch DP & Flex ? is that a substitution ? I know that I am doing something that I hate but I need to know "What If" I want to cover all situations and be able to explain (short and to the point) professionally.

[Crabby_Bob]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

... If the coach wants to switch the DP for the Flex, is that a substitution? If the DP gets on base can they switch DP & Flex? is that a substitution? ...

Ask yourself this question: Is the Flex playing offense for the DP? If yes, then the DP is out of the game and it takes a re-entry to get her back in.

On the flip side: Is the DP playing defense for the Flex? If yes, then the Flex is out of the game and it takes a re-entry to get her back in.

Any player (CRs excepted; they're not considered in the game) who has been in the game and is now out has been substituted for.

OK?

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

I'm the same way.
I utilize EA's lineup card management system.....it helps me keep straight what the coach can or cannot legally do regarding the use of his DP/Flex.

Absolutely, it is the easiest to use and easiest to understand.