Assist?

[cteben]

the issue is gonna be tipping off the appeal. either way, if appealed, you'll be blamed for hinting it, even if you did nothing to suggest it.

I've said this before, and I say it again. better to loudly respond with "I got NOTHING" than to be a do nothing by saying nothing and/or doing nothing, or even worse to respond in a manner that could be construed as a tip-off.

since you are damned if you do, and damned if you dont, just stay with a "I got nothing" answer until the issue goes away, or someone on the team, usually the smartest one realizes and requests or makes the appeal.

now, if you are doing college ball, as umpire at the plate, you are required to signal safe along with announcing a "No Tag" verbal. with that ncaa verbal requirement, if they dont appeal, they cant blame us.

[DaveASA/FED]

Given all this time to think about it I think I would say "That runner has completed her baserunning responsibilities so I can't have an out for assisting a runner that is no longer running the bases coach"

To me that is a general answer that provides all the important info (why I dont' have an out) without giving away anything about the appeal. Some might argue that it makes the coach believe that I think she touched home....I can't argue that might be inferred in that statement but if ever asked by the defensive coach I could say "that was not my intent, I meant that another runner had scored so that runner could no longer re-touch the plate, so her baserunning responsibilities were done". Honestly I think if a defensive coach came out and started to talk to me about this play he/she would eventually ask something about that runner not touching home and in effect would make an appeal.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by cteben

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now, if you are doing college ball, as umpire at the plate, you are required to signal safe along with announcing a "No Tag" verbal. with that ncaa verbal requirement, if they dont appeal, they cant blame us.

No play on either runner.... Where does NCAA require a signal and a verbal?

[cteben]

7.1.1.2.5 (a) page 68 under appeals

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

No play on either runner.... Where does NCAA require a signal and a verbal?

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by cteben

7.1.1.2.5 (a) page 68 under appeals

Doesn't that rule assume that there was either a tag attempt by the catcher, or that the catcher had possession of the ball in the vicinity of home plate?

It doesn't make sense for an umpire to be yelling, "No tag!", when a runner crosses the plate while the ball is still in the outfield.

[cteben]

yes, it does. but it also means you are alerting the defense on the runner missing the plate if the catcher makes no attempt.

Originally Posted by BretMan

Doesn't that rule assume that there was either a tag attempt by the catcher, or that the catcher had possession of the ball in the vicinity of home plate?

It doesn't make sense for an umpire to be yelling, "No tag!", when a runner crosses the plate while the ball is still in the outfield.