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Old Fri Apr 27, 2012, 01:12pm
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R1 on 3rd, R2 on 2nd, 2 outs. Ball hit to left.

R1 crosses the plate easily, but misses the plate. R2 crosses the plate. Coach prevents R1 from entering the dugout and tells her to touch the plate, which she does.

Defensive coach calls time and asks, "Why don't we have an out for that coach pushing his player back to touch the plate?"

How do you answer this question?
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Old Fri Apr 27, 2012, 01:26pm
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R1 can't retouch after a subsequent runner has scored.
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Old Fri Apr 27, 2012, 02:03pm
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R1 can't retouch after a subsequent runner has scored.
Hence, you can't assist that runner.
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Old Fri Apr 27, 2012, 02:44pm
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R1 can't retouch after a subsequent runner has scored.
Hmmm... say that to the coach, and all you'll get is a blank stare... he asked you why there's no out for assisting the runner.
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Old Fri Apr 27, 2012, 02:45pm
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Hence, you can't assist that runner.
So do you say what ST said and add this? (PS to all --- I'm not asking the rule. I know the rule. I'm asking you how YOU would answer that exact question from the coach.)
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Old Fri Apr 27, 2012, 02:54pm
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So do you say what ST said and add this? (PS to all --- I'm not asking the rule. I know the rule. I'm asking you how YOU would answer that exact question from the coach.)
No, you have to dumb it down - they're coaches.
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Old Fri Apr 27, 2012, 02:55pm
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R1 on 3rd, R2 on 2nd, 2 outs. Ball hit to left.

R1 crosses the plate easily, but misses the plate. R2 crosses the plate. Coach prevents R1 from entering the dugout and tells her to touch the plate, which she does.

Defensive coach calls time and asks, "Why don't we have an out for that coach pushing his player back to touch the plate?"

How do you answer this question?
How did the coach prevent R1 from entering dugout?
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Old Fri Apr 27, 2012, 08:07pm
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No, you have to dumb it down - they're coaches.

Absolutely, too dumb to have one of his players appeal the missed base.

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Old Sat Apr 28, 2012, 12:53pm
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coach i never saw the coach push the runner back to the plate. as you describe the situation, this is a valid answer.
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Old Sun Apr 29, 2012, 03:58am
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because coach, in this play, the lead runner can no longer be assisted.

or for you purists, "coach the rules will not allow me"

(pause for blank stare)
now coach do you have another question?
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Old Sun Apr 29, 2012, 06:21am
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R1 on 3rd, R2 on 2nd, 2 outs. Ball hit to left.

R1 crosses the plate easily, but misses the plate. R2 crosses the plate. Coach prevents R1 from entering the dugout and tells her to touch the plate, which she does.

Defensive coach calls time and asks, "Why don't we have an out for that coach pushing his player back to touch the plate?"

How do you answer this question?
How did the coach stop the player from entering the dugout.......important.....

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Old Sun Apr 29, 2012, 07:20am
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This is certainly an odd one. I think that I would softly turn the conversation toward one about appeals and let the coach figure it out.

There seems to be a blending of two different rules: 1 - physically assisting a runner & 2 - touching or retouching bases in a legal order. While they should be read together, I'm not so sure that they should be blended into one.

Can you not assist someone to do something that they aren't permitted to do?

The rules say (for the 'purists') that you can't assist a runner after they have scored. The fact that another runner has also score neither changes the fact that R1 scored (albeit missing home plate) and 2 that the coach physically assisted her back to the base. I do see the trouble with the "assist" part but nothing seems to say you still can't have an out for that.

Either way, I should be walking away with an out.
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Old Sun Apr 29, 2012, 07:49am
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this is certainly an odd one. I think that i would softly turn the conversation toward one about appeals and let the coach figure it out.

There seems to be a blending of two different rules: 1 - physically assisting a runner & 2 - touching or retouching bases in a legal order. While they should be read together, i'm not so sure that they should be blended into one.

Can you not assist someone to do something that they aren't permitted to do?

The rules say (for the 'purists') that you can't assist a runner after they have scored. The fact that another runner has also score neither changes the fact that r1 scored (albeit missing home plate) and 2 that the coach physically assisted her back to the base. I do see the trouble with the "assist" part but nothing seems to say you still can't have an out for that.

Either way, i should be walking away with an out.
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Old Sun Apr 29, 2012, 08:24am
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No one likes an OOJ (Overly-Officious Jerk).

If the runner going back to touch the plate is moot, then I would say that any assistance from the coach is also moot.
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Old Sun Apr 29, 2012, 08:30am
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because coach, in this play, the lead runner can no longer be assisted.

or for you purists, "coach the rules will not allow me"

(pause for blank stare)
now coach do you have another question?
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