Fastpitch: Batter's Location in Batter's Box Compared to Plate

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

And in fastpitch, if you call your strike zone like that, they will run you out of most towns and ask you not to come back.

Wow, over 45 years and I'm still working in this and other towns. Go figure.

I wonder why that is?

[x-tremeump]

What I have learned with the game getting even faster every day with the running left hand slap hitters, bunter/slap hitters, bunters from the front of the box for base hits, bunters from the back of the box for sacrifice, girls switching sides with 2 strikes. You really have to track the pitch, I know what the book says, these good fast-pitch teams want & need consistency in there Strike Zone. With a 7 foot by 3 foot box that is alot of real estate. Realisticly thinking that a K is always over the dish is hard to fathom.

[MrRabbit]

I hope that someone learns who EsqUmp and xtreamump work for and find out what they put in their Gator Aid.

[x-tremeump]

Originally Posted by MrRabbit

I hope that someone learns who EsqUmp and xtreamump work for and find out what they put in their Gator Aid.

Nice Post, very helpful. I like the original Gator-Aid. Don't be a hater if there are new posters on the Forum. After being on the forum, I question the same thing about some of you. Good way to get branded as a CLONE.

[MrRabbit]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

Nice Post, very helpful. I like the original Gator-Aid. Don't be a hater if there are new posters on the Forum. After being on the forum, I question the same thing about some of you. Good way to get branded as a CLONE.

Sorry but telling the truth will not get me branded anything.

And if that is really the way you call your strike zone you will not work more than one game for me if you are lucky enough to even be allowed in the park.

34 years and counting, play ball.

Why aren't you calling Irish and mbcrower clones they do not agree with you either.

Glad to know I am in good company because I feel this way.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

Nice Post, very helpful. I like the original Gator-Aid. Don't be a hater if there are new posters on the Forum. After being on the forum, I question the same thing about some of you. Good way to get branded as a CLONE.

I am not sure what you are referring to when you are labeling others as "clones." Do you mean consistent in rules applications? Calling the strike zone as it was meant to be called? If that is your usage of the term, then it would best behoove you to become a little more clonelike.

No one is being a hater toward new posters. What they are being haters to is the dispensation of incorrect information. Umpiring is hard enough without it being clouded by myth, dysinformation, and opinion.

[x-tremeump]

Originally Posted by MrRabbit

I hope that someone learns who EsqUmp and xtreamump work for and find out what they put in their Gator Aid.

What truth did you post here ? I like old guys (Experienced) like you, they are good for war stories, and beer talk.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

Realisticly thinking that a K is always over the dish is hard to fathom.

No... adjusting your zone based on where the batter is (especially in the case of a moving batter!) is hard to fathom. Honestly, until this thread, I've never heard a single person espouse this notion.

I don't know what you're looking at from behind the plate --- but it certainly shouldn't be the position of the batter. It's easy to call the ball based on where it is when it crosses the plate - it's consistent. Trying to adjust that forward and back is begging for inconsistency. Requiring pitchers to hit a zone that changes back and forth (especially curve ball pitchers) is completely absurd.

[x-tremeump]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

No... adjusting your zone based on where the batter is (especially in the case of a moving batter!) is hard to fathom. Honestly, until this thread, I've never heard a single person espouse this notion.

I don't know what you're looking at from behind the plate --- but it certainly shouldn't be the position of the batter. It's easy to call the ball based on where it is when it crosses the plate - it's consistent. Trying to adjust that forward and back is begging for inconsistency. Requiring pitchers to hit a zone that changes back and forth (especially curve ball pitchers) is completely absurd.

I can tell that I speak GERMAN to you, I do not have thin skin, I do have proper training on tracking pitches Jim Evans MLB. The coaches want consistency. My reference to the moving batter was for the people that do not understand the Strike Zone. Where in my post did it say that the zone changes back and forth ? You guys do not like the (CLONE) Trademark that has been branded on you. That is why you have a new Forum to go to & tell War Stories. Try to live in the moment and give something to the game. Why are the few of you long time poster's so bitter ?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

I can tell that I speak GERMAN to you, I do not have thin skin, I do have proper training on tracking pitches Jim Evans MLB. The coaches want consistency. My reference to the moving batter was for the people that do not understand the Strike Zone. Where in my post did it say that the zone changes back and forth ? You guys do not like the (CLONE) Trademark that has been branded on you. That is why you have a new Forum to go to & tell War Stories. Try to live in the moment and give something to the game. Why are the few of you long time poster's so bitter ?

Funny, I don't feel bitter...

What did you mean by "Realisticly thinking that a K is always over the dish is hard to fathom." then if you did not mean you that a strike was not always over the plate? It was this assertion to which I was disagreeing.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

What I have learned with the game getting even faster every day with the running left hand slap hitters, bunter/slap hitters, bunters from the front of the box for base hits, bunters from the back of the box for sacrifice, girls switching sides with 2 strikes. You really have to track the pitch, I know what the book says, these good fast-pitch teams want & need consistency in there Strike Zone. With a 7 foot by 3 foot box that is alot of real estate. Realisticly thinking that a K is always over the dish is hard to fathom.

Care to explain this further? If it isn't always over the plate, where else cold it possibly be?

[Umpteenth]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

...Realisticly thinking that a K is always over the dish is hard to fathom.

What rule set (or sets) do you call? I'm really curious, because I've never heard of a strike zone that moved back and forth with the batter.

ASA, Rule 1 Strike Zone: That space over any part of home plate, when a batter assumes a natural batting stance adjacent to home plate, between the batter's:
A. (fast Pitch) Arm pits and the top of the knees.
B. (Slow Pitch) Back shoulder and the front knee.
...

All an umpire has to do is read the rule book and apply the rules as written using one's own judgement. In the OP, the batter is standing deep in the box. This does not change the Strike Zone as defined in the rules. The horizontal piece of the strike zone is still the space over any part of home plate. The vertical piece of the strike zone is still determined by the batter's arm pits and the top of the knee when the batter is standing next to home plate (fast pitch, as stated in OP).

From the OP, if a pitch crosses the plate within the parameters defined by the rule when the batter is deep in the BB, but then crosses the space behind the plate and in front of the batter below the batter's knee, I have a strike.

[DeputyUICHousto]

After 24 years of umpiring I was always under the impression that some part of the ball had to pass over some part of the strike zone in order to be a strike. I've never really been concerned with the batter's location within the batter's box. It really makes no difference.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Wow, over 45 years and I'm still working in this and other towns. Go figure.

I wonder why that is?

It's because you're an old fart.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by SRW

It's because you're an old fart.

Yeah, but I wear my ear ring in the correct ear..........neither!