Runner hit by batted ball

[MNBlue]

NFHS 8-8-4 - A runner is not out:

ART. 4 . . . A runner is hit with a fair, untouched batted ball that has passed an infielder, excluding the pitcher, and, in the judgment of the umpire, no other fielder had a chance to make an out.

NFHS 8-8-6 - A runner is not out:

ART. 6 . . . A runner is hit with a fair batted ball after it touches, or is touched by, any fielder, including the pitcher, and the runner could not avoid contact with the ball.

[bucblue]

Thanks for the replies and rule references. No longer confused but now upset that two state registered high school officials are so ignorant of the rules, or just choose to lie to cover up their partner's mistake. Either way, it is disappointing.

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by bucblue

Thanks for the replies and rule references. No longer confused but now upset that two state registered high school officials are so ignorant of the rules, or just choose to lie to cover up their partner's mistake. Either way, it is disappointing.

I feel your pain, after the last 2 HS games Ive worked I also wonder how some of these guys are "certified" HS umpires.

As for the step and reach in FED, if the fielder deflects the ball into the path of the runner, and the runner could not avoid the ball, step and reach does not apply.

[argodad]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

I feel your pain, after the last 2 HS games Ive worked I also wonder how some of these guys are "certified" HS umpires.

As for the step and reach in FED, if the fielder deflects the ball into the path of the runner, and the runner could not avoid the ball, step and reach does not apply.

In Florida, you can miss 12 out of 50 questions and still call HS varsity games. Other states are equally lax. Most of us take great pride in knowing and understanding the rules ... but certification as an NFHS umpire at the minimum level means that the individual really doesn't know the rule book very well.

[RKBUmp]

Originally Posted by argodad

In Florida, you can miss 12 out of 50 questions and still call HS varsity games. Other states are equally lax. Most of us take great pride in knowing and understanding the rules ... but certification as an NFHS umpire at the minimum level means that the individual really doesn't know the rule book very well.

AZ requires 90% or better to be "certified" to call varsity games and the test is 100 questions. But, umpiring is knowing more than just how to read the rule book.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by argodad

In Florida, you can miss 12 out of 50 questions and still call HS varsity games. Other states are equally lax. Most of us take great pride in knowing and understanding the rules ... but certification as an NFHS umpire at the minimum level means that the individual really doesn't know the rule book very well.

In Texas, umpires who belong to a UIL chapter are allowed to miss only 5 questions (make a 90%), to be eligible to call HS varsity.

On part 2 of the test, you have to make a 90 or higher to be able to call playoffs. Part 2 only has 25 questions. (Ergo, you are only allowed to miss 2 on it.)

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

In Texas, umpires who belong to a UIL chapter are allowed to miss only 5 questions (make a 90%), to be eligible to call HS varsity.

On part 2 of the test, you have to make a 90 or higher to be able to call playoffs. Part 2 only has 25 questions. (Ergo, you are only allowed to miss 2 on it.)

Does it work like basketball where the tests are open book and you can take them as many times as needed to reach the 90%?

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Does it work like basketball where the tests are open book and you can take them as many times as needed to reach the 90%?

It is open book. I cannot remember how many times you get for the first test, but there are retake chances. The second test you get three tries, and that is all. If you don't make 90 (92 actually) in three tries, then you don't work playoffs.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

NFHS 8-8-4 - A runner is not out:


NFHS 8-8-6 - A runner is not out:

The FED also has "initial play" on the ball. Meaning that if the ball is booted and the ball is within a step and a reach of the fielder, we still protect the fielder and intent is not required to get an out on the runner.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by rwest

The FED also has "initial play" on the ball. Meaning that if the ball is booted and the ball is within a step and a reach of the fielder, we still protect the fielder and intent is not required to get an out on the runner.

True statement.


But the rules I quoted are referring to a ball hitting the runner, not a runner interfering with the fielder.


That would be this one:


NFHS 8-6-10 - The runner is out:

ART. 10 . . . The runner interferes:

a. with a fielder attempting to make the initial play on a fair batted ball.
b. with a fielder attempting to field a fly ball over foul territory.

c. with a fielder attempting to throw the ball.

d. intentionally with a fielder or thrown ball.

NOTE: Jumping, hurdling and leaping are all legal attempts to avoid a fielder only if the fielder is lying on the ground.


PENALTY: (Arts. 10 through 14) The ball is dead and the runner is out. Each other runner must return to the last base touched at the time of the interference. When a runner is called out for interference, the batter-runner is awarded first base and credited with a fielder's choice. If this interference, in the judgment of the umpire, is an obvious attempt to prevent a double play and occurs before the runner is put out, the immediate succeeding runner shall also be called out. If interference occurs by the runner on a foul fly ball, the runner is out and the ball is dead. A foul ball is called in this situation and the batter remains at bat unless it was a bunt attempt with two strikes on the batter (F.P) or it was the third strike (S.P); the batter is also out in these cases. (Art. 14) The runner is also ejected.

[MD Longhorn]

The rules for a batted ball striking a runner are not the same as baseball in all cases, but in THIS case, they are - your runner should not be out.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

The rules for a batted ball striking a runner are not the same as baseball in all cases, but in THIS case, they are - your runner should not be out.

True because it was deflected.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

True statement.


But the rules I quoted are referring to a ball hitting the runner, not a runner interfering with the fielder.


That would be this one:


NFHS 8-6-10 - The runner is out:

Suppose the deflected ball makes contact with the runner and the runner is a step and a reach from the fielder?

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by rwest

Suppose the deflected ball makes contact with the runner and the runner is a step and a reach from the fielder?

It's covered by 8-8-6.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by rwest

Suppose the deflected ball makes contact with the runner and the runner is a step and a reach from the fielder?

Don't mix the rules. It is irrelevant if the ball makes contact with the runner while the runner is that close to the fielder. the other rules will tell you what to rule.