Post game Convo - Appeal or not?

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

That's a good question. Do we correct an error (rules, not judgement!) our partner makes in other cases? If your partner calls an infield fly with either runners on the wrong bases or the wrong number of outs, and it's not caught, do you fix it? If your partner rules the wrong offensive player out after a batter's inferference call, do you fix it? If your partner rules an out on a player who could not bat in her proper spot because she was on base after a BOO is not caught - do you fix it? If your partner awards 2nd base on a thrown ball that goes out of play because the runner was retreating toward 1st when it was thrown, do you fix it.

I say yes to all of these.

The issue, though, was that I didn't really know it was a rules mistake until far far too late.

That is exactly my point. You didn't know it was a rule interp problem - you thought it was bad judgment. I don't think you want to approach your partner with the 'bad judgment' comment. Nor do I think you want to stop the game to ask "What did you have there?". That should be the OC's job. Agreed, the other instances you mention are visible, public rule errors and should be corrected. But in your scenario, you don't have that at the time of the play.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

That is exactly my point. You didn't know it was a rule interp problem - you thought it was bad judgment. I don't think you want to approach your partner with the 'bad judgment' comment. Nor do I think you want to stop the game to ask "What did you have there?". That should be the OC's job. Agreed, the other instances you mention are visible, public rule errors and should be corrected. But in your scenario, you don't have that at the time of the play.

Makes sense... (for the record, I never thought it was bad judgement - I just assumed there was something I didn't see.)

[EsqUmp]

If you KNOW that your partner misapplied a rule, you have a duty to confer with your partner and get it right.

The original post is more difficult because it may have involved both/either judgment and/or misapplication of a rule.

Umpires can't let a game go on with misapplication of rules. We are there to prevent that.

[x-tremeump]

"As BU, do you do anything to "fix" this, or even discuss with your partner on the field"?



I was not there, Just for fun BU & PU get together, How do you fix this ?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

"As BU, do you do anything to "fix" this, or even discuss with your partner on the field"?



I was not there, Just for fun BU & PU get together, How do you fix this ?

Great question.

OK, say coach asked PU to check with me and we ended up discussing this one on the field, and say this is a different partner - generally here if PU is asked to ask BU for help, HE drives the conversation and it's usually more direct than "what did you see"... but I digress...

BU could ask PU if he was calling the girl out because she was tagged before touching home, or if he was calling her out because he thought it was an appeal. This is similar to how the conversation post game went. His answer was, "Well, neither. I called her out because she had to return to third after the ball was caught, but she was sitting right on the plate when I called her out." If he said this on the field, then we could have had the rules discussion which might have fixed the error.