Illegal Pitches???

[x-tremeump]

Originally Posted by MrRabbit

From 2012 Rule Clarifications and Plays ASA web site...

Rule 6, Section 1A and B When taking the pitching position in contact with the pitcher’s plate, the pitcher must have their hands separated and must have the ball in either the glove or the pitching hand. The pitcher shall not be considered in the pitching position unless the catcher is in position to receive the pitch.

Rule 6, Section 10B The pitcher attempts a quick return of the ball before the batter has taken a position in the batter’s box or when the batter is off balance.
EFFECT: Section 10 A-E: The ball is dead, all subsequent action on that pitch is canceled.

Rule 7, Section 3A: Prior to the pitch, the batter must have both feet completely within the lines of the batter’s box. The batter may touch the lines, but no part of the foot may be outside the lines prior to the pitch.

These three rules show the preliminaries of the pitch, what an umpire should do if the batter is not in the box or ready to receive a pitch, and that the batter has to be completely in the batter’s box prior to the pitch. So when looking at these rules together we have rule support that a batter must be in the box before a pitch legal or illegal can be delivered.

This is a great example why we say apply the rules to the play and not the play to the rule. Get to know the rules better and use the entire ASA Rules of Softball as a body of work to help guide you in those situations.

Good Post, The more games you do the better you will get ad calling IP's. Sunday I Umpired 2 12u FP games and I had IP's, LBR, OBR. and we had a great time. These Coaches are volunteer's. I hate to say this but that is a huge difference. Work all of the games that you can, If you try hard enough every Umpire can learn something new.

[UmpireErnie]

In a high school game played under NFHS rules this evening I had a pitcher who was very quick to get back on the plate once she recieved the ball. Often after a ball was put into play, once my partner was in position and we made the eye contact "hand off" I would move back to set up for the next pitch only to find F1 already standing on the PP, hands together, waiting.

I have no idea if she toed up with her hands together or not. I just gave the "wait to pitch" signal until the batter was in the box, and away we went.

Just as I am not going to guess an out, I don't guess an IP. I assumed she had her hands apart then came together and stopped and waited until I released her.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by UmpireErnie

Just as I am not going to guess an out, I don't guess an IP. I assumed she had her hands apart then came together and stopped and waited until I released her.

And that is where I disagree with those of the philosophy of seeing/searching for all the elements which make a pitch legal occur. AFAIC, every pitch is legal until I see something which makes it illegal.