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You did fine. My only suggestion would be to not say the phrase I highlighted above. Answer the question that was asked.
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Andy...'YES' is all I needed to say. I noted that in my post game conference with myself. I do not need to announce to defense they screwed up. When they see the runner advancing they will get the picture.
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For that matter, you could have said nothing. Honestly, would you answer a coach's question in the middle of any other play? (That said, I probably would have answered his question as well!)
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Sometimes you gotta say something.
12U A pitch is behind the batter who crouched down to avoid it. Ball hits the bat behind her and bounces into fair territory. I remove my mask, point fair. Nobody's doing anything. Catcher finally retrieves the ball and throws it back to the pitcher. I'm still standing there pointing and finally had to break protocol and said "That's a fair ball, ladies." O coach starts yelling for batter to run; D coach yells for pitcher to throw the ball to first, where F3 is daydreaming. Throw goes over, F3 wakes up and picks up the ball and tags first just before runner got there. It was like everything was happening in slow motion, but it wasn't as good as the Baywatch opening.
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Because I have a perverse sense of humor, I would have answered in a volume appropriate for the offensive coach to hear me so that when the runner started running the bases I could have a great laugh after the game from watching the defense go into Keystone Kops mode to get the player out. ![]() MTD, Sr.
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OK, been thinking about what I said earlier about ignoring the touch of third because the runner was not actually running the bases. And I agree it's problematical.
However, take this a half-step further. Instead of third - for some reason R1 heads toward home, perhaps to pick up a discarded bat or something. She inadvertently touches home plate, then proceeds into the dugout, with the defensive team leaving the field as well. If you consider touching 3rd in the OP as a baserunning touch, where runner needs to return to 2nd before 1st... then in this sitch, her touch of home was a SCORE. The defense leaving the field would mean they cannot appeal the 2 missed bases.
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What else are you going to do? Call her out for leaving the field and ignore the fact that she touched home? You could get her for running the bases in reverse order. End result will be the same in all three, no run and three outs. And you'll only seem crazy if you make the call that seems to be supported by rule. |
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The rule about the defense leaving the field of play removing the right of appeal is INTENDED to be applied at the end of an inning / game, but this is not the end of the inning. But, the rule does not actually SAY end of the inning / game (ASA), so a literal application could nullify some of the potential craziness!
![]() Regarding touching bases, we can only rule on what players actually DO, not what they intended to do. We don't recognize accidental appeals, because an appeal (by rule) must be properly made, however, we do recognize accidental base touches for any other purpose by either the defense or offense. In the case of the runner touching 3rd, I don't see how you could "correctly" ignore that; but the chances are, the defense won't be smart enough to appeal it. With touching home, youngump, are you suggesting ignoring the touch of home to make life easier on the umpire? ![]() This play is already a cluster f---, so you may as well be correct!
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If I'm picturing this correctly, I don't believe this is a score
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