greatest interference play i ever heard

[rwest]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

What rules basis do you have for saying you can't assume that? The more "normal" 2-out interference is with a runner committing intentional interference to break up a double play - you "assume" that the 2nd out would have been made in that case... why is this play any different? The rules simply say the Umpire is to rule a 2nd out as well if in his judgement the interference prevented a double play. This sitch is no different (and is also supported by the common sense idea that the offense should not benefit from interference).

The runner at 2nd interfered before she was put out. This requires the trailing runner to be called out. That would be the BR. Still can't get the runner from third out.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Can someone reference what rule(s) some of you are talking about?

A few posts back, I mentioned a situation I posed at NUS on which KR ruled.

Bases loaded, 1 out. Batter hits a [sky-high, for those that need this] popup near first base. Initial call is IF, batter is out, if fair. The runner from third breaks for home. She touches home before INT occurs. B/R, now potentially retired, if fair, intentionally interferes w/ F3 causing her to not catch the ball, which was in fair territory.

The ruling was INT by a retired B/R. B/R is already out so the runner closest to home is also out. That runner is the one on second base. Score the run. Inning, potentially game, now over.

I think the difference is that in the above case, we have INT by a retired B/R.

Given the same situation and she bunted a [sky-high, for those that need this] popup, which cannot be an IF, and all other things happened the same, do we have 1 out [on the B/R who INT w/ F3], or 2 outs based on rule reference X.X.x?

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Can someone reference what rule(s) some of you are talking about?

A few posts back, I mentioned a situation I posed at NUS on which KR ruled.

Bases loaded, 1 out. Batter hits a [sky-high, for those that need this] popup near first base. Initial call is IF, batter is out, if fair. The runner from third breaks for home. She touches home before INT occurs. B/R, now potentially retired, if fair, intentionally interferes w/ F3 causing her to not catch the ball, which was in fair territory.

The ruling was INT by a retired B/R. B/R is already out so the runner closest to home is also out. That runner is the one on second base. Score the run. Inning, potentially game, now over.

I think the difference is that in the above case, we have INT by a retired B/R.

Given the same situation and she bunted a [sky-high, for those that need this] popup, which cannot be an IF, and all other things happened the same, do we have 1 out [on the B/R who INT w/ F3], or 2 outs based on rule reference X.X.x?

I certainly don't have the stature to argue with KR but interference with an infield fly is not interference by a retired batter runner. It's not quite on point but see 8-2-I which would be very inconsistent if the BR was out in this situation.

[andyump]

wow did everyone get off on different plays then first described all that is stated do we score the runner from third, 1st criteria ball is not caught, 2nd runner on 3rd touched home before interference , we have 0 outs what is all the confusion do we score runnner and go home or not?

[rwest]

Originally Posted by andyump

wow did everyone get off on different plays then first described all that is stated do we score the runner from third, 1st criteria ball is not caught, 2nd runner on 3rd touched home before interference , we have 0 outs what is all the confusion do we score runnner and go home or not?

Score the run and quickly head to the car!

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by andyump

wow did everyone get off on different plays then first described all that is stated do we score the runner from third, 1st criteria ball is not caught, 2nd runner on 3rd touched home before interference , we have 0 outs what is all the confusion do we score runnner and go home or not?

Well, when you don't provide a clear scenario, that's what will happen.

[andyump]

Pretty clear cut,except for 0 outs
scored tied,bottom of the 7th runners on 2nd and 3rd high fly ball hit to ss runner from 3rd base raises home, runner on 2nd base grabs ss as she is ready to catch fly ball (remember runner on 3rd touched home when interference accurs) would you let the winning run to score?
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[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by andyump

wow did everyone get off on different plays then first described all that is stated do we score the runner from third, 1st criteria ball is not caught, 2nd runner on 3rd touched home before interference , we have 0 outs what is all the confusion do we score runnner and go home or not?

I don't. I have intentional interference to prevent a double play. Runner on 3rd out, runner on 2nd out, batter to first.

[rwest]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I don't. I have intentional interference to prevent a double play. Runner on 3rd out, runner on 2nd out, batter to first.

The rule says you get the trailing runner out. Not the lead runner.

[andyump]

tell them RW YOU CAN GET A DP but runner still scores

[rwest]

Originally Posted by andyump

tell them RW YOU CAN GET A DP but runner still scores

I think that's what I said.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by andyump

Pretty clear cut,except for 0 outs ...

Which was, of course, critical to giving an answer, which led to all of the alternate scenarios.

But, even though the way the situation was stated in the OP was an invitation to elaboration and alternate scenarios, we've never really needed a reason to go OT around here.

[JefferMC]

Originally Posted by Dakota

... we've never really needed a reason to go OT around here.

Did someone say beer?

[Tru_in_Blu]

Deja vu.

All over again.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Which was, of course, critical to giving an answer, which led to all of the alternate scenarios.

But, even though the way the situation was stated in the OP was an invitation to elaboration and alternate scenarios, we've never really needed a reason to go OT around here.

It was the responders which ASSUMED and try to apply different scenarios involving outs that were not offered. If you don't tell me there are outs, I addressing the scenario as if there were no outs.

And yes, I would allow the run to score.