Ball rotation

[okla21fan]

I understand the reasoning in the first two half innings. I am more interested in later on in the game when the balls have already been put into play. Why do we use standard ball rotation procedures lets say in the 5th inning?

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by okla21fan

I understand the reasoning in the first two half innings. I am more interested in later on in the game when the balls have already been put into play. Why do we use standard ball rotation procedures lets say in the 5th inning?

Which rules orgs has a ball rotation requirement after the 1st inning?

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

Which rules orgs has a ball rotation requirement after the 1st inning?

Be the letter of the rule:
ASA
NFHS
(I cant speak for other orgs as I don't call them)

[Andy]

The most obvious reason is to prevent a doctored or non-legal ball from being introduced into the game. The second reason is to keep the game moving.

If a ball goes out of play and a ball is returned from out of play directly to the pitcher, there is the possibility that it is not a legal ball in some way. If all new ball put in the game go through the umpire, there is a chance to inspect the ball to make sure it's legal.

Also, at some of the fields I work, if I had to wait for a ball to come back in from out of play before we could resume the game, it would add about an hour to my game times!

[AtlUmpSteve]

The other reason is to keep the pitcher from holding up the game because there is a "preferred" ball. Too bad, so sad, ball rotation rule says she can only ask for the ball she wants before warming up at start of an inning. Any other time, she is to throw the ball that is in the game.

The partners that say she can throw whatever ball she wants are choosing to ignore a rule. Once you open up that can, it will bite you.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Andy

The most obvious reason is to prevent a doctored or non-legal ball from being introduced into the game. The second reason is to keep the game moving.

If a ball goes out of play and a ball is returned from out of play directly to the pitcher, there is the possibility that it is not a legal ball in some way. If all new ball put in the game go through the umpire, there is a chance to inspect the ball to make sure it's legal.

Also, at some of the fields I work, if I had to wait for a ball to come back in from out of play before we could resume the game, it would add about an hour to my game times!

This is a serious issue in the SP game. The "hit your own" BS is just that. The teams replace the balls they use, but they come through me, into the bag. When I need one, whichever one comes out goes into the game. It cannot be fairer than that.

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

This is a serious issue in the SP game. The "hit your own" BS is just that. The teams replace the balls they use, but they come through me, into the bag. When I need one, whichever one comes out goes into the game. It cannot be fairer than that.

I should have prefaced this to the FP game:

And yes, All balls introduced into the game will come out of my bag (for obvious reasons) Even when the conditions are 'wet', I will not let the dugout coaches throw a dry ball directly to the pitcher.

But the problem seems to be consistency in my area. Some will allow a pitcher to request a different ball after the first inning, anytime as long as it comes out of the PU's bag.

example: 'preferred ball is fouled out of play. different ball introduced in the game from PU. 3 pitches later, 'preferred' ball is thrown back to the PU. Pitcher then request 'preferred' ball.

By rule (ASA or NFHS) the pitcher must continue to pitch the ball out of the PU's bag till it goes out of play or deemed unplayable.

But many in my area would allow for the requested change.

I am looking for feedback here I guess. As I do not allow for the requested changed because of 'ball rotation procedure'.

This is what I am hearing from fellow umps and even UICs.
"After all balls have been put into play, and there is no delay in the game, why not 'let' the pitcher request a change?"

what are the pros and cons do you guys see here?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by okla21fan

This is what I am hearing from fellow umps and even UICs.
"After all balls have been put into play, and there is no delay in the game, why not 'let' the pitcher request a change?"

what are the pros and cons do you guys see here?

The game doesn't make any difference, it is the same directions.

The RS specifically states that the pitcher is NOT (ASA's emphasis, not mine) to be given a choice of ball if there is nothing wrong with the ball in the game.

And to those who choose to ignore this and say "why not", ask the "why not" give the batter a choice of ball? Okay, now to what type of vicious circle will that lead?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by okla21fan

But the problem seems to be consistency in my area. Some will allow a pitcher to request a different ball after the first inning, anytime as long as it comes out of the PU's bag.

example: 'preferred ball is fouled out of play. different ball introduced in the game from PU. 3 pitches later, 'preferred' ball is thrown back to the PU. Pitcher then request 'preferred' ball.

By rule (ASA or NFHS) the pitcher must continue to pitch the ball out of the PU's bag till it goes out of play or deemed unplayable.

But many in my area would allow for the requested change.

I am looking for feedback here I guess. As I do not allow for the requested changed because of 'ball rotation procedure'.

This is what I am hearing from fellow umps and even UICs.
"After all balls have been put into play, and there is no delay in the game, why not 'let' the pitcher request a change?"

Some people don't know the rules.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by okla21fan

Be the letter of the rule:
ASA
NFHS
(I cant speak for other orgs as I don't call them)

I guess I mis-understood your statement
"Why do we use standard ball rotation procedures lets say in the 5th inning? " .

I read it as saying the ball should be rotated out as in the bottom of the 1st inning (NFHS 6-5-Article 1) rather than referring to Article 2 which requires the ball to stay in play untill blocked, out of play, etc.

Yes the 6-5 rule is titled "SECTION 5 BALL ROTATION" but my brain was processing only Article 1 as "rotaction"


NFHS 6-5
ART. 1 . . . The pitcher has a choice of balls at the start of each half inning
unless both balls do not get put into play. In that case, the pitcher in the bottom of the first inning must throw the unused ball. Thereafter, the ball in play should be returned to the 16-foot circle after every half inning.

ART. 2 . . . The pitcher may request the other ball before throwing a warm-up
pitch by giving the ball in her possession to the plate umpire, the pitcher has now made a choice and must pitch that ball until such time as the ball goes out of play or becomes blocked.