Screwy Play that acually happened

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Say what? If the ball is dead before the pitch was illegal, how can you have an illegal pitch?

And if you are going to insist on staying with the runner's timing issue please provide rule citation which specifically addresses that privilege.

I'm not saying the runner has a timing privilege. And based on you and SRW's responses, I'm obviously not making myself clear at all. So let me try again.

Vanilla case play. The pitcher leaps and the runner leaves early. Illegal pitch at the time of the leap. DDB. Runner steps off the bag. Dead ball. Runner is out advance all the other runners and give the batter a ball.

Variation A: The pitcher hoping to draw an out slows her delivery. The runner holds the bag waiting for the release. The pitcher does not deliver the ball. Illegal pitch. Dead ball. (And it's dead as soon as you know the pitcher isn't going to deliver the ball because it's delayed until either the pitcher chooses not to pitch or the result of the pitch).

Variation B: The pitcher hoping to draw an out slows her delivery. The runner loses the bag. Dead ball. Runner is out.

My entire point was that you can't have variation A and B at the same time because either the pitcher commits not to delivering (a Dead Ball) or the Runner comes off the bag (a dead ball).

Irish, when you come back with there are lots of times when it won't be an immediate dead ball I don't disagree.
Example of what I understood you were saying: The pitcher makes two revolutions presumably to throw the ball (and while still moving), the runner comes off on the first one after the pitch is already illegal. Two violations, enforce both.

Now does any of that sound wrong?