IF has precedence

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Thanx for the reply. I think I have it, but yet, in your words:

In every case of an intentionally dropped ball, the ball is immediately dead, and the batter-runner is called out.

...EXCEPT for those occasions where an IF is in effect. Yeah?

That's the part I am getting stuck on.

Well, if the IFF rule takes precedence, then it's not an IDB.

You're correct, I phrased that poorly.

What I SHOULD have said was "in every case when the intentionally dropped ball rule is invoked, the ball is immediately dead, and the batter-runner is called out."

I apologize for the confusion.

[CecilOne]

Which reminds me to ask about the intent of the IDB rule. To be intentionally dropped, it had to be caught, which means the batter is already out.

Without the dead ball, a drop by an infielder allows any runner(s) more time to advance.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Which reminds me to ask about the intent of the IDB rule. To be intentionally dropped, it had to be caught, which means the batter is already out.

Without the dead ball, a drop by an infielder allows any runner(s) more time to advance.

I've always thought it was because a catch and intentional drop looks a lot like a drop and the runners are going to have trouble knowing whether they are forced or not. Don't know if that's right.
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[Tru_in_Blu]

I think I've only called Intentionally Dropped Ball once. Situation was runner on first, less than 2 outs. Batter hit a line drive [not a screamer] to F6's left. As he moved toward 2B, he caught the ball knee high, let it drop, and then picked it up, stepped on 2B and threw to 1B for what he thought was a pretty slick DP.

Runner on first did the 2 or 3 steps off first with the swing, saw the path of the ball and the fielder catching it and was scrambling back to 1B.

After I ruled, F6 was livid. Reason he & his coach gave me was that this was the church league and they don't play that way and the fact that he had a new glove. Nice try, don't cry, next batter!

I've also had a few where infielders let a popup fall when they know a particularly slow BR hit it and also let soft line drives become trapped when a catch would have been just a easy. These typically happen in the slow pitch game when infielders think they can get a DP.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

I've also had a few where infielders let a popup fall when they know a particularly slow BR hit it and also let soft line drives become trapped when a catch would have been just a easy. These typically happen in the slow pitch game when infielders think they can get a DP.

And they can, no? An IDB requires the ball to be caught, yes?
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[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by youngump

And they can, no? An IDB requires the ball to be caught, yes?

That is correct.

[DeputyUICHousto]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

I've also had a few where infielders let a popup fall when they know a particularly slow BR hit it...when infielders think they can get a DP.

If the infielder allows the ball to drop to the ground untouched this is NOT an intentionally dropped ball...in order to have an intentionally dropped ball the ball must first be caught. If the ball isn't touched it can't be dropped.

I may have misunderstood the part I quoted but it sounded like the ball was never touched.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by DeputyUICHousto

If the infielder allows the ball to drop to the ground untouched this is NOT an intentionally dropped ball...in order to have an intentionally dropped ball the ball must first be caught. If the ball isn't touched it can't be dropped.

I may have misunderstood the part I quoted but it sounded like the ball was never touched.

We are in agreement. "Guiding" a ball to the ground or flat out letting it drop [a bit risky sometimes w/ the backspin] is not an IDB.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by DeputyUICHousto

If the infielder allows the ball to drop to the ground untouched this is NOT an intentionally dropped ball...in order to have an intentionally dropped ball the ball must first be caught. If the ball isn't touched it can't be dropped.

I may have misunderstood the part I quoted but it sounded like the ball was never touched.

I think you meant "if the ball isn't caught, it can't be dropped."

Some associations do consider it an IDB if the fielder guides the ball to the ground. I believe NSA is one of them.