NFHS Questions

[youngump]

So trying to prep for the season got me into the NFHS book last night and left me with questions. Here's the first couple:

1. In the team conduct section one of the things listed for a warning and then a restriction is if a player goes behind the catcher when she and the pitcher are in their positions. Am I to understand that if the new batter goes around behind, I'm supposed to issue a warning and start restricting? It doesn't happen very much in varsity, but the JV girls certainly do it from time to time. If not, what does this mean?

2. I've never restricted a coach to the dugout. If that happens and they have an assistant, I figure the assistant will just come out and act like the head coach. But if not and the coach wants a sub, do I go over to the dugout and talk to the coach? Presumably, if she wants to complain about something she's out of luck since she can't leave the dugout? Some guidance would be appreciated.
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[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by youngump

So trying to prep for the season got me into the NFHS book last night and left me with questions. Here's the first couple:

1. In the team conduct section one of the things listed for a warning and then a restriction is if a player goes behind the catcher when she and the pitcher are in their positions. Am I to understand that if the new batter goes around behind, I'm supposed to issue a warning and start restricting? It doesn't happen very much in varsity, but the JV girls certainly do it from time to time. If not, what does this mean?

2. I've never restricted a coach to the dugout. If that happens and they have an assistant, I figure the assistant will just come out and act like the head coach. But if not and the coach wants a sub, do I go over to the dugout and talk to the coach? Presumably, if she wants to complain about something she's out of luck since she can't leave the dugout? Some guidance would be appreciated.

#1 is intended to keep non-playing personnel from going behind the backstop and watching/charting/filming pitches and relaying that information to the dugout or to give information on what pitches the pitcher has or how wide the PU's outside corner is. A new batter may certainly walk behind the catcher (and often do) in order to get the batter's box on the other side away from their on-deck circle.

In #2, any eligible player or other coach may occupy a coach's box. However, in the event of a coach being restricted to the dugout, the ONLY reason they can come out is to tend to an obviously injured or ill player. If they wish to make a substitution, you will have to visit the dugout to get the change. Of course, if the coach wishes to drudge up the past, you'll be getting your changes from the new acting head coach.

[CecilOne]

Substitutes do not have to be reported by the head coach.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Substitutes do not have to be reported by the head coach.

So you'd make them send a player out to report?
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[JEL]

Originally Posted by youngump

So you'd make them send a player out to report?

Why not use the captain you MUST have designated at the line-up exchange?

3-1-2

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by youngump

So you'd make them send a player out to report?

We don't initiate subs, the team does. Any coach or player (including the entering one) can report a sub.
Go to the head coach if confusion/uncertainty/illegal, but my point was it is not required.

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

We don't initiate subs, the team does. Any coach or player (including the entering one) can report a sub.
Go to the head coach if confusion/uncertainty/illegal, but my point was it is not required.

This came up in our last meeting. It was said that even a 'restricted' coach can come out to make line-up/substitution changes. and that would be one of the few exceptions for him/her being out on the field of play. (injury was another one)

[SC Ump]

Originally Posted by JEL

Why not use the captain you MUST have designated at the line-up exchange?

3-1-2

I think they changed it this year (unannounced) to "may".

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by okla21fan

This came up in our last meeting. It was said that even a 'restricted' coach can come out to make line-up/substitution changes. and that would be one of the few exceptions for him/her being out on the field of play. (injury was another one)

Did they cite a rule?

[argodad]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

#1 is intended to keep non-playing personnel from going behind the backstop and watching/charting/filming pitches and relaying that information to the dugout or to give information on what pitches the pitcher has or how wide the PU's outside corner is. A new batter may certainly walk behind the catcher (and often do) in order to get the batter's box on the other side away from their on-deck circle.

Radio, I contend that 3-6-6 covers team personnel behind the backstop. 3-6-5 is aimed at players in live ball territory (i.e., on deck batters).

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Did they cite a rule?

good question. and I think the comment is being 're-evaluated'. (I even had to call a couple of my fellow blues at the meeting to make sure I was not hearing things )

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by argodad

Radio, I contend that 3-6-6 covers team personnel behind the backstop. 3-6-5 is aimed at players in live ball territory (i.e., on deck batters).

Hmm. Interesting point. I can see where you're coming from. I've always read 3-6-5 as to refer to team personnel behind the backstop (maybe I'm reading more into it and/or making incorrect inferrences). Re-reading it after your comment does lead me to believe that 3-6-5 is ambiguous because, technically speaking, if a new right-handed batter is coming to the plate from the 1st base dugout and the pitcher and catcher is in position and the batter walks behind the catcher and umpire to the batter's box, she would be in violation. That cannot be the intent of this rule, obviously.

[argodad]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

Hmm. Interesting point. I can see where you're coming from. I've always read 3-6-5 as to refer to team personnel behind the backstop (maybe I'm reading more into it and/or making incorrect inferrences). Re-reading it after your comment does lead me to believe that 3-6-5 is ambiguous because, technically speaking, if a new right-handed batter is coming to the plate from the 1st base dugout and the pitcher and catcher is in position and the batter walks behind the catcher and umpire to the batter's box, she would be in violation. That cannot be the intent of this rule, obviously.

When a new batter is approaching her batter's box, I wouldn't consider F1 and F2 to be in position to pitch.

3-6-5 has no Case Book references, but we use it to keep the first batter of the inning in her on-deck circle until warm ups are complete ... and also to keep on deck batters in their own circle.

[youngump]

Use in the sense that you tell them not to do it. Or use in the sense that you enforce this rule by making a warning to the team the first time and restricting the second time?
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[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by youngump

Use in the sense that you tell them not to do it. Or use in the sense that you enforce this rule by making a warning to the team the first time and restricting the second time?

Personally, I use it to tell them not to do it (running to the other side to wait). I would only warn (and then restrict) if a team member was standing behind watching pitch movement.