4 Base Award / Abandoning Base

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Well, if I'm going to be accused of playing word games, I just as well do it.

Speaking ASA

8.2.D states that the BR is out when s/he fails to advance to first base and enters the team area after a batted fair ball,...

The definition of batted ball is a pitched ball which hits the bat or is hit by the bat and lands either in fair territory or foul territory.

Therefore, if the BR left the field of play prior to the ball being touched by a fielder or touching the ground, fence, etc. the rule has yet to be effected since the ball is still in flight and doesn't meet the qualification of a batte ball, hence the exception cannot be applied.

So, what do you have now?

Excellent point. Makes you say "but of course", once it's been pointed out to you.
I've got an out now.
Live and learn and learn some more.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Well, if I'm going to be accused of playing word games, I just as well do it.

Speaking ASA

8.2.D states that the BR is out when s/he fails to advance to first base and enters the team area after a batted fair ball,...

The definition of batted ball is a pitched ball which hits the bat or is hit by the bat and lands either in fair territory or foul territory.

Therefore, if the BR left the field of play prior to the ball being touched by a fielder or touching the ground, fence, etc. the rule has yet to be effected since the ball is still in flight and doesn't meet the qualification of a batted ball, hence the exception cannot be applied.

So, what do you have now?

And what if the fielder bobbled the ball before the batter-runner entered dead ball territory?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

And what if the fielder bobbled the ball before the batter-runner entered dead ball territory?

If it touched a fielder, it "landed" according to KR.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

If it touched a fielder, it "landed" according to KR.

No offense, but I've gotta say I'm still not convinced. By your logic, we can't even apply that rule, as the batter-runner has yet to become a batter-runner. Why? The ball yet to be judged fair. Only when the ball is hit fair do they become a batter-runner as per 8-1-A.

In this EXTREMELY unlikely (though still remotely possible) situation, I believe you can't completely ignore the exception under 8-2-D. Are we saying that because the batter is now in the dugout, they're out? Or are they out once the ball is touched (making it fair), and they're in the dugout before it goes over the fence?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

No offense, but I've gotta say I'm still not convinced. By your logic, we can't even apply that rule, as the batter-runner has yet to become a batter-runner. Why? The ball yet to be judged fair. Only when the ball is hit fair do they become a batter-runner as per 8-1-A.

In this EXTREMELY unlikely (though still remotely possible) situation, I believe you can't completely ignore the exception under 8-2-D. Are we saying that because the batter is now in the dugout, they're out? Or are they out once the ball is touched (making it fair), and they're in the dugout before it goes over the fence?

Playing word games, huh?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Playing word games, huh?

It's what we do best.