4 Base Award / Abandoning Base

[MD Longhorn]

Committed interference? Huh? No. And the ball's not dead (if this happens with no outs, runners are free to run and/or tag up)

Result is correct though - 3 outs, no runs score.

[Welpe]

The ball IS dead though when the ball goes over the fence. Doesn't matter, I've got a DMB and the third out.

Why is this a SP only situation?

[MD Longhorn]

Correct Welpe - I should have been more specific. I was just disagreeing with "The ball became dead when the Batter Runner committed interference by abandoning his attempt to reach first base. "

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Welpe

The ball IS dead though when the ball goes over the fence. Doesn't matter, I've got a DMB and the third out.

Why is this a SP only situation?

Because in ASA SP, they don't have to run the bases on a 4 base award.

Which brings me to my next question... Since the award is made on the runners' locations at the time of the pitch, do you think this changes anything?

[NCASAUmp]

I bring particular focus to the exception listed in 8-2-D.

ASA 8-2-D: Batter-Runner is out.

When the batter-runner fails to advance to first base and enters the team area after a batted fair ball, a base on balls in Fast Pitch or Slow Pitch with Stealing, a dropped third strike, or catcher obstruction.
EXCEPTION: (Slow Pitch) The ball is dead when runners are not required to run bases on a home run or four base award, or on a base on balls, or (Fast Pitch) on a hit batter. The batter-runner is not out. Other than on a home run or a four base award, runners cannot advance unless forced.

So do you still call the out?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Because in ASA SP, they don't have to run the bases on a 4 base award.

O I C...

Well I'm not sure then. Sorry for mucking up your thread.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Welpe

O I C...

Well I'm not sure then. Sorry for mucking up your thread.

If my thread helps anyone to learn something, then it's not mucked up in the least.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Committed interference? Huh? No. And the ball's not dead (if this happens with no outs, runners are free to run and/or tag up)

Result is correct though - 3 outs, no runs score.

I don't have my 2010 rulebook with me but I found a 2006 online and I'm pretty sure that it still reads this way. 8-2-D (the effect is listed after H). The BR going into the dugout on a live ball is interference and the ball is dead.
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[Welpe]

You ready to float away yet Mike? I'm preparing my rubber raft for my commute home today.

[MD Longhorn]

Practically floated into work today. I drive the smaller vehicle in the family, and it's LOW - worried about flooding on the entrance and exit ramps of the highways, there was so much water. NOT looking forward to the drive home.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by youngump

I don't have my 2010 rulebook with me but I found a 2006 online and I'm pretty sure that it still reads this way. 8-2-D (the effect is listed after H). The BR going into the dugout on a live ball is interference and the ball is dead.

That effect is supposed to read E-H... this has been talked about before. E-H ALL reference different types of interference, and have the word interference in them.

D is not interference, and does not have the word interference in it.

If it was correct that the ball was dead on D - all sorts of bad scenarios could present themselves. Runner or runners off on the pitch on a pop up in the infield. Before the ball can be caught, BR sees the potential double play and sprints for the dugout. Ditto on a double-play grounder.

I see where you're coming from though, and I thought we'd heard this was going to be fixed in the 2010 book.