Safety base

[Stu Clary]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The defense made the proper appeal holding the ball while touching the base. The runner is out in all rules sets of which I am aware.

Even though F3 never touched the white (ie in fair territory) part of the double base and the throw did not come from foul territory? Please note: I'm not trying to argue, just to learn.

Thanks.

[SergioJ]

Originally Posted by Stu Clary

Even though F3 never touched the white (ie in fair territory) part of the double base and the throw did not come from foul territory? Please note: I'm not trying to argue, just to learn.

Thanks.

ASA Rule 8, Section 2M

Serg

[Stu Clary]

Originally Posted by SergioJ

ASA Rule 8, Section 2M

Serg

If you're refering to 8-2-M-5, I disagree. That rule is pretty clear: "On an errant throw pulling the defense off the white portion..."

That didn't happen according to the OP:

Originally Posted by illiniwek8

Runner on first.....batter hits line drive to second baseman who catches it and throws to first baseman who has her foot on the orange safety base.....

With all due respect to everyone, I still have safe.

[MD Longhorn]

Um, Stu ... think it through. Are you really implying that a runner trying to get to first base FROM THE DIRECTION OF SECOND has to go to the orange bag to be safe? Logically, does that make any sense to you?

The rule you keep quoting SOLELY applies to plays being made on the batter-runner heading from the plate to first. In every other situation, the bag is just one big bag for both the offense and the defense.

[Stu Clary]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Um, Stu ... think it through. Are you really implying that a runner trying to get to first base FROM THE DIRECTION OF SECOND has to go to the orange bag to be safe? Logically, does that make any sense to you?

No, not at all. But I'm not talking about the baserunner. I'm saying that the defensive player is off the (white) bag.

[JefferMC]

BTW... Here's the most recent [in]famous ponytail/shoelace post.

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[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Stu Clary

No, not at all. But I'm not talking about the baserunner. I'm saying that the defensive player is off the (white) bag.

The same rule that is telling you that the defensive player must use the white tells you that the offense must use the orange... while that's obviously not true in the OP. You can't insist that half of the rule applies when obviously the other half doesn't.

The safety bag is for SAFETY - for a BR coming from home and the first baseman. It's not meant as a gotcha on other plays.

[Stu Clary]

OK...but please cite a rule that suppoorts that.

I have been taught that the orange base is used by the batter/runner when trying the beat out a ground ball OR by the defense when the throw is coming from foul ground. I can point to specific places in the rulebook that support those two things. Otherwise, the orange/colored/foul portion of the double base is the same as dirt to me.

Maybe I'm a bonehead, but I still have safe.

[JefferMC]

Originally Posted by Stu Clary

If you're refering to 8-2-M-5, I disagree. That rule is pretty clear: "On an errant throw pulling the defense off the white portion..."

That didn't happen according to the OP:



With all due respect to everyone, I still have safe.

The latest manual I have online is 2008, and in it this rule is number 8.3.M.7

When tagging up on a fly ball, the white or colored portion of the base may be used.

Any time the runner can use both halves, so can the defense.

[Stu Clary]

Originally Posted by JefferMC

Any time the runner can use both halves, so can the defense.

Is that a POE? A rule that I'm overlooking? Again, I'm not necessarily disagreeing, just trying to always get better.

[JefferMC]

Originally Posted by Stu Clary

Even though F3 never touched the white (ie in fair territory) part of the double base and the throw did not come from foul territory? Please note: I'm not trying to argue, just to learn.

Thanks.

Yep. Once the batter-runner passes the bags, it becomes one big two-tone base, either color equally valid for all purposes.