Safety base

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by illiniwek8

Runner on first.....batter hits line drive to second baseman who catches it and throws to first baseman who has her foot on the orange safety base.....runner gets back to the white base after the throw....but first baseman never touches the white bag at all.....is the runner safe? Can the first baseman use the orange bag for the force out?

It is NOT a force out, it is a live ball appeal. The defense made the proper appeal holding the ball while touching the base. The runner is out in all rules sets of which I am aware.

Ground ball hit to first.....first baseman bobbles ball....picks up ball with bare hand and then touches bag with her glove....this seemed weird to me....I know that you can't tag a runner with just the glove....is this legal? Out?

Thanks for any input in advance.

Can you tag the base with your foot while the ball is in the hand? What's the difference?

[MD Longhorn]

Out and out.

Now, regarding sitch 2, who's going to regurgitate the extremely long hair example from 3-4 years ago?

[JefferMC]

You mean the ponytail example?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JefferMC

You mean the ponytail example?

Yes ... the exaggerated one.

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Out and out.

Now, regarding sitch 2, who's going to regurgitate the extremely long hair example from 3-4 years ago?

or a shoe lace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by okla21fan

or a shoe lace

That one too.

[surf24]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Out and out.

Now, regarding sitch 2, who's going to regurgitate the extremely long hair example from 3-4 years ago?

Originally Posted by JefferMC

You mean the ponytail example?

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Yes ... the exaggerated one.

Originally Posted by okla21fan

or a shoe lace

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

That one too.

These sound like they created quite a discussion on here.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by surf24

These sound like they created quite a discussion on here.

We're a lively bunch.

[Stu Clary]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

The defense made the proper appeal holding the ball while touching the base. The runner is out in all rules sets of which I am aware.

Even though F3 never touched the white (ie in fair territory) part of the double base and the throw did not come from foul territory? Please note: I'm not trying to argue, just to learn.

Thanks.

[SergioJ]

Originally Posted by Stu Clary

Even though F3 never touched the white (ie in fair territory) part of the double base and the throw did not come from foul territory? Please note: I'm not trying to argue, just to learn.

Thanks.

ASA Rule 8, Section 2M

Serg

[Stu Clary]

Originally Posted by SergioJ

ASA Rule 8, Section 2M

Serg

If you're refering to 8-2-M-5, I disagree. That rule is pretty clear: "On an errant throw pulling the defense off the white portion..."

That didn't happen according to the OP:

Originally Posted by illiniwek8

Runner on first.....batter hits line drive to second baseman who catches it and throws to first baseman who has her foot on the orange safety base.....

With all due respect to everyone, I still have safe.

[MD Longhorn]

Um, Stu ... think it through. Are you really implying that a runner trying to get to first base FROM THE DIRECTION OF SECOND has to go to the orange bag to be safe? Logically, does that make any sense to you?

The rule you keep quoting SOLELY applies to plays being made on the batter-runner heading from the plate to first. In every other situation, the bag is just one big bag for both the offense and the defense.

[Stu Clary]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Um, Stu ... think it through. Are you really implying that a runner trying to get to first base FROM THE DIRECTION OF SECOND has to go to the orange bag to be safe? Logically, does that make any sense to you?

No, not at all. But I'm not talking about the baserunner. I'm saying that the defensive player is off the (white) bag.

[JefferMC]

BTW... Here's the most recent [in]famous ponytail/shoelace post.

Force Play

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Stu Clary

No, not at all. But I'm not talking about the baserunner. I'm saying that the defensive player is off the (white) bag.

The same rule that is telling you that the defensive player must use the white tells you that the offense must use the orange... while that's obviously not true in the OP. You can't insist that half of the rule applies when obviously the other half doesn't.

The safety bag is for SAFETY - for a BR coming from home and the first baseman. It's not meant as a gotcha on other plays.