Florida head coach accuses umpires of cheating his team at WCWS

[FullCount]

Heard some of that in the AZ/Tenn game but didn't hear it in the Fla game. I was working while listening and trying to watch some. Most of what I heard about not calling th IP unless there was an advantage came in the first 2 innings but still came back to it later in the game. Late in the last inning they said that there were two three-run HRs but that the real story in the game was the IP. Huh?

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by FullCount

Heard some of that in the AZ/Tenn game but didn't hear it in the Fla game. I was working while listening and trying to watch some. Most of what I heard about not calling th IP unless there was an advantage came in the first 2 innings but still came back to it later in the game. Late in the last inning they said that there were two three-run HRs but that the real story in the game was the IP. Huh?

Those are ex players and maybe a coach 'in the booth', not umpires


just sayin

[nc452010]

Could someone post up a copy/paste of the rule....?

If it doesn't mention gaining an advantage.....I'm wondering why everyone keeps referencing it (including the announcers...as I did watch the game). If it does mention it....I'm wondering what advantage she is/was gaining.

Thanks.

[BlitzkriegBob]

So here's another thread where the advantage/disadvantage talk has popped up.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by nc452010

Could someone post up a copy/paste of the rule....?

If it doesn't mention gaining an advantage.....I'm wondering why everyone keeps referencing it (including the announcers...as I did watch the game). If it does mention it....I'm wondering what advantage she is/was gaining.

Thanks.

It doesn't. And if you are actually giving credit to the TH for any type of rules knowledge............................

[JefferMC]

Originally Posted by nc452010

Could someone post up a copy/paste of the rule....?

If it doesn't mention gaining an advantage.....I'm wondering why everyone keeps referencing it (including the announcers...as I did watch the game). If it does mention it....I'm wondering what advantage she is/was gaining.

Thanks.

You may download the whole rulebook from here:

NCAA Publications - 2010-2011 Women's Softball Rules (2 Year Publication) Online NOW

As for the rule look at

10.4.4 No leaping is allowed. The pitcher may not become airborne on the
initial drive from the pitcher’s plate. The pivot foot must slide/drag on
the ground.

That won't tell you an iota of how umpires have been asked to enforce this rule, but I think the other posters are doing a pretty good job of that.

[nc452010]

So, where did this "gaining an advantage" phrase come from? Same place "tie goes to the runner" originated?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by nc452010

So, where did this "gaining an advantage" phrase come from? ....

Soccer? Basketball?

[vcblue]

Originally Posted by FullCount

Heard some of that in the AZ/Tenn game but didn't hear it in the Fla game. I was working while listening and trying to watch some. Most of what I heard about not calling th IP unless there was an advantage came in the first 2 innings but still came back to it later in the game. Late in the last inning they said that there were two three-run HRs but that the real story in the game was the IP. Huh?

Michelle always says it is a DISadvantage to leap because you lose power.
FullCount-It is not ball speed but batter reaction time. The Florida Pitcher was subtracting at least a foot or two from the batters' time to see the ball when she leaped.

[FullCount]

Originally Posted by vcblue

Michelle always says it is a DISadvantage to leap because you lose power.
FullCount-It is not ball speed but batter reaction time. The Florida Pitcher was subtracting at least a foot or two from the batters' time to see the ball when she leaped.

Yeah I understand about reaction time- hence my note about being a few feet closer to the batter. I also heard one of the heads say several times that leaping is a disadvantage but I also know that there are several schools of pitching styles that firmly believe you gain speed by leaping. Regardless of your belief, the pitchers leap because they think it does gain them an advantage. If it didn't they wouldn't do it. I kept waiting yesterday to hear someone to make that very point. I'm still waiting.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by FullCount

Yeah I understand about reaction time- hence my note about being a few feet closer to the batter. I also heard one of the heads say several times that leaping is a disadvantage but I also know that there are several schools of pitching styles that firmly believe you gain speed by leaping. Regardless of your belief, the pitchers leap because they think it does gain them an advantage. If it didn't they wouldn't do it. I kept waiting yesterday to hear someone to make that very point. I'm still waiting.

Earlier tonight they were saying the pitcher was NOT getting an advantage by leaping because the foot is just an inch or so off the ground.

These THs are really all over the place on the issue, but then again, they really have no idea of what they are talking about.

[argodad]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

These THs are really all over the place on the issue, but then again, they really have no idea of what they are talking about.

Latest example. After a ball slipped from the pitcher's hand for a ball: "If she would have reached out and caught that ball out of the air, it would have been a balk."

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by argodad

Latest example. After a ball slipped from the pitcher's hand for a ball: "If she would have reached out and caught that ball out of the air, it would have been a balk."

Followed in the bottom half of the inning by "[Georgia coach] has already been out once this inning and cannot come back out or she would have to remove her".

Balk, 2nd trip causing removal of F1? Did I happen to dial into a baseball game?

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by argodad

Latest example. After a ball slipped from the pitcher's hand for a ball: "If she would have reached out and caught that ball out of the air, it would have been a balk."

Mendoza at her finest.

[greymule]

The jabbering announcers are one of many reasons that I turn the sound off and listen to music while watching college softball. MLB, too. Bach is better for your blood pressure than McCarver.

In softball, the last straw for me was the announcers all agreeing that the umpire had erred in calling a force out at 2B when F6, with the ball securely in her bare hand, tagged the bag with her glove. They showed the replay several times, but they didn't seem to wonder why the "offended" team didn't question the call.

In MLB, it was the constant shilling for programs coming up on their wonderful schedule.