Look Back Rule

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Az.Ump

Mike,

We need to know where R1 was when BR touched first.

Paul

Standing on third base. Ruling should be the same (perhaps earlier, but the same) if she's standing anywhere else ... as long as she's stopped when BR touches first... but I digress.

[RKBUmp]

If the runner was on 3rd when batter/runner touched first and the pitcher did nothing but stand there with ball, runner at 3rd is out for look back violation, ball is dead, batter/runner returns to 1st.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

If the runner was on 3rd when batter/runner touched first and the pitcher did nothing but stand there with ball, runner at 3rd is out for look back violation, ball is dead, batter/runner returns to 1st.

Thanks... that's what I kept saying. Just what I needed - appreciate it.

[PSUchem]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Standing on third base. Ruling should be the same (perhaps earlier, but the same) if she's standing anywhere else ... as long as she's stopped when BR touches first... but I digress.

But if the runner on 3B is standing off of 3B at the time the BR touches 1B, she can ("immediately") advance home without violation. The placement of the runner and the timing are important.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by PSUchem

But if the runner on 3B is standing off of 3B at the time the BR touches 1B, she can ("immediately") advance home without violation. The placement of the runner and the timing are important.

Yes, I know. The whispered "go" was 4-5 seconds after BR touched first.

Partner understands that LBR is nothing until pitcher catches and possesses the ball (and is off if she makes a play). I couldn't convince him to "turn on" LBR the moment BR touches first base on a walk though. If a runner is off at that moment, it's exactly like the pitcher catching the ball at that moment.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

... I couldn't convince him to "turn on" LBR the moment BR touches first base on a walk though. If a runner is off at that moment, it's exactly like the pitcher catching the ball at that moment.

This was changed a "few" years ago to add the BR touching 1B part. Before that, the LBR went into effect for R1 (in your scenario) as soon as F1 had possession and control in the circle.

Now, both conditions are required if there is a BR: possession and control by F1, and BR touching 1B (or being put out). But, once both conditions are in place, R1 had better be making a move and quick if she is off the base, and must stay on 3B if she was not off the base.

ASA 8-7-T

The “Look Back” rule shall be in effect for all runners when the ball is live, the batter-runner has touched first base or has been declared out, and the pitcher has possession and control of the ball within the pitcher’s circle....

ASA 8-7-T-2

Once the runner stops at a base for any reason, the runner will be declared out if leaving the base.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I couldn't convince him to "turn on" LBR the moment BR touches first base on a walk though.

Why do people have so much trouble with every way of becoming a BR is the same, expect dead ball like HBP.

[Tex]

If R1 was standing off 3rd base, 4-5 seconds after BR touched 1B, I would have already called R1 out.

[MD Longhorn]

No, she was standing ON third base, and took off at about 4-5 seconds. Immediate out. Partner didn't agree over a cold beer.