Big East 1st Base Ump

[EdJW]

Just in case you've forgotten the rules, leap and drag is legal.

Regarding Linda, are you now saying she's not a guy. If you followed the tread, you would have realized the continuation to the final game.

Regarding your damnation of Syracuse pitching, the season stats for the Cuse pitcher are 13 IPs in 184.1 innings. All these innings called by NCAA umpires. It's not reasonable to believe that all of these umpires got it wrong all season long. It's the umpires at the BE tournament who are way out of line.

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by EdJW

Just in case you've forgotten the rules, leap and drag is legal.

not in the rule set of the game(s) you are referring too in the OP.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EdJW

Just in case you've forgotten the rules, leap and drag is legal.

Ahhh.....no, it is not.

From NCAA 2010-2011 Softball Rules:

1.73 Leap (Pitcher)

An illegal act in which the pitcher becomes airborne on her initial movement and push from the pitcher’s plate.

10.4.4
No leaping is allowed. The pitcher may not become airborne on the
initial drive from the pitcher’s plate. The pivot foot must slide/drag on

the ground.

Regarding Linda, are you now saying she's not a guy. If you followed the tread, you would have realized the continuation to the final game.

Yeah, right. You keep telling yourself that. Tony wants you to thank you for making AJ look pretty smart for a NJ boy.

Regarding your damnation of Syracuse pitching, the season stats for the Cuse pitcher are 13 IPs in 184.1 innings. All these innings called by NCAA umpires. It's not reasonable to believe that all of these umpires got it wrong all season long. It's the umpires at the BE tournament who are way out of line.

Yet the same umpires only called 3 IPs all season long. Hmmmmm.....but it is the umpire conspiracy, not the Orangemen. Of course, just where do you think these umpire come from? Answer: Big East

BTW, I wouldn't doubt these umpires will have a longer post-season than the Orangemen.

Well, at least you are consistent.

[Tex]

She had 13 illegal pitches in the championship game with Louisville.

The Univ. of Flordia pitcher generally receives about 7 per game.

With this increased emphasis from the college level of calling illegal pitches, I hope that the calling illegal pitches will now filter down to the high school level.

I just saw the Ohio state high school championship games of I and II. Both the loosing pitchers had many illegal pitches and none were called.

We all need to increase our awareness concerning IP.

[EdJW]

Leap and drag is the term long used to describe a moving forward from the pitcher's plate while dragging the pivot foot. I'm surprised you don't know this. But, perhaps you do know this and are just playing word games.

BTW, another BE coach has gone on record that the umpires were outrageous with the blatant IP calls.

Also, please provide the NCAA link showing that these umps called just 3 IPs the entire season.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EdJW

Leap and drag is the term long used to describe a moving forward from the pitcher's plate while dragging the pivot foot. I'm surprised you don't know this. But, perhaps you do know this and are just playing word games.

You are sadly misinformed if you think anyone of softball intelligence used this term as a legal method of pitching.

BTW, another BE coach has gone on record that the umpires were outrageous with the blatant IP calls.

Yeah, so did Mike Candrea for two games and an ejection and then, like any intelligent coach, realized that it was their responsibility to have pitchers than can throw legally and the umpires were going to do what they were told.

And this is nothing new. The coaches were the ones complaining about the lack of IPs called. The NCAA softball program is coach-driven, so none of them really have a valid complaint for an umpire doing the job for which they were hired.

Also, please provide the NCAA link showing that these umps called just 3 IPs the entire season.

It isn't the NCAA's, (they do not included ILP in their team/conference scoring summary), but the 2010 Seasonal Statistics from the Syracuse Univeristy Athletic Dept.

http://www.suathletics.com/documents...ason_Stats.pdf

The Big East uses BK (balk) instead of ILP (NCAA designation for an Illegal Pitch).

[EdJW]

The FED rules for years described a legal pitch using the wording leap and drag to describe a legal pitch where the pitcher pushes off (leap) from the plate while maintaining foot contact with the ground (and drag). So are you now calling FED stupid.

Interesting to see that you cannot support your statement that this umpire crew called just 3 illegal pitches over the entire season.

And BTW, Syracuse will go farther in the NCAAs this year than your Blue Hens will go in the next ten years.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EdJW

The FED rules for years described a legal pitch using the wording leap and drag to describe a legal pitch where the pitcher pushes off (leap) from the plate while maintaining foot contact with the ground (and drag). So are you now calling FED stupid.

Your word, not mine. BTW, do you have any idea how rules are created? This comment is not the wording used by NFHS.

Interesting to see that you cannot support your statement that this umpire crew called just 3 illegal pitches over the entire season.

I never made such a statement, but you know that and as usual, follow your method of just continuing to lie to support any argument you choose to make.

And BTW, Syracuse will go farther in the NCAAs this year than your Blue Hens will go in the next ten years.

And I care about BJ and her weak program? I have no association with the UD, so why would I care?

[HugoTafurst]

[QUOTE=EdJW;677090]Leap and drag is the term long used to describe a moving forward from the pitcher's plate while dragging the pivot foot. I'm surprised you don't know this. But, perhaps you do know this and are just playing word games.

(snip)QUOTE]

I wasn't aware NFHS is using that expression.

But be that as it may, are you saying that:

1)
It IS legal for an NCAA pitcher to have both feet off the ground at the same time?
2)
The pitcher wasn't leaping?

[pop300ln]

when pushing off the rubber, most umps will not inject themselves in the game as long as the toe of the pitcher is down. if this call is totally enforced 90 percent of all college pitchers are going to be called illegal and the game is going to be about umps not players.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by pop300ln

when pushing off the rubber, most umps will not inject themselves in the game as long as the toe of the pitcher is down. if this call is totally enforced 90 percent of all college pitchers are going to be called illegal and the game is going to be about umps not players.

No its not. It is going to be about players and coaches who are incapable or unwilling to play a game by the predetermined rules.

I love people who "think" the umpire is trying to make the game about themselves. Here's a question. Why?

Are they going to get better and/or more assignments? No.
Are they going to have their picture plastered across the sports section in a positive manner? No.
Are they going to get a better job or become extremely popular? No.

What an umpire working college ball is going to get by not doing their job is a load of HS games the following year because the assigner will not invite them back the next year.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by pop300ln

when pushing off the rubber, most umps will not inject themselves in the game as long as the toe of the pitcher is down. if this call is totally enforced 90 percent of all college pitchers are going to be called illegal and the game is going to be about umps not players.

That is not an accurate statement - and certainly not made by one who umpires college ball. If an umpire - in an NCAA game - sees air between the pitcher's pivot foot and the ground, in excess of 95% of us will call that.

[ronald]

Originally Posted by pop300ln

when pushing off the rubber, most umps will not inject themselves in the game as long as the toe of the pitcher is down. if this call is totally enforced 90 percent of all college pitchers are going to be called illegal and the game is going to be about umps not players.

hog wash. push and drag at the same time. it used to be done by all pitchers at one time (well almost all). easy to tell. what player had a leather patch over the inside part of shoe of his push foot the pitcher.

[ronald]

At what point is the NCAA or some organization going to spend 1000 bucks on a good camera, go out and shoot pitchers, send it to someone officail, get an answer, post it on some official board so all umps can see what an illegal pitch is from said pitcher. Then all should call it when there memory sees the illegal pitch.

I know it is not professional sports but it is time that we improve on accuracy of calling ips. The camera, imo, is a helpful tool.

The nba provides video breakdowns to all of its officials so they can see and get it into their memory reflex what is illegal (read violation). Hell the public can go online and see what they get.

Video, video and more video.

there should be a plethora of video on pitchers. time to use technology to our advantage. Dave, what is the hold up?

of course, this does not apply to all umps.

you guys can figure out to move this hijack to a new thread, if you do not mind.

ron

[marvin]

Originally Posted by EdJW

Just in case you've forgotten the rules, leap and drag is legal.

Originally Posted by EdJW

Leap and drag is the term long used to describe a moving forward from the pitcher's plate while dragging the pivot foot. I'm surprised you don't know this. But, perhaps you do know this and are just playing word games.

The only terms and definitions that the umpire needs to be aware of are the ones in the rules. As stated in this thread before:

1.73 Leap (Pitcher)
An illegal act in which the pitcher becomes airborne on her initial movement
and push from the pitcher’s plate.

It isn't word games to be precise when dealing with rules enforcement and interpretation. In fact, a lack of precision usually indicates poor knowledge of the rules.

from the letter by Dee Abrahamson concerning illegal pitch calling:

Specifically, umpires are asked to take the approach that a pitch is legal until the pitcher proves otherwise by engaging in any movement not in compliance with the pitching rules. Again, umpires need to enforce the pitching rules and yet, give pitchers the benefit of the doubt if there is any question of legality.

In a game at this level I doubt that the umpires did not "give pitchers the benefit of the doubt" and that each illegal pitch was called because the umpire specifically saw a violation.