Big East 1st Base Ump

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by EdJW

This bogus ump called 11 illegal pitches and obviously didn't see the catch that triggered the game ending double play. After standing there looking for help for 20 seconds she decided to call the out on the catch. How embarrassing for a crew that somebody seems to like. This crew should spend the rest of their senior years in T-ball.

What do you do...just pick a number out of the air and post it as a fact???
There were a total of 2 IP's called in the Louisville/Syracuse game.
The same Syracuse pitcher (Caira) who had 3 called on the in the DePaul game.

[PSUchem]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

What do you do...just pick a number out of the air and post it as a fact???
There were a total of 2 IP's called in the Louisville/Syracuse game.
The same Syracuse pitcher (Caira) who had 3 called on the in the DePaul game.

KJ, sorry, but you are definitely incorrect. Following the whole game and the live blog, I counted 9. Perhaps 2 were called strikes and then changed, but if you listened to the announcers/watched the crew, there were many more that were called balls and therefore might have went unnoticed by those who were not looking specifically for them.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Another point of interest is that NCAA boxscores do not accurate track ALL illegal pitch calls. Since they use a standardized stats program that is based on baseball (modified just slightly to grasp the nuances of DP/FLEX versus the baseball DH rule), they only track cases where runners advance, and then only to explain the advance. That is why they still use BK (balk) in the box scores.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by PSUchem

KJ, sorry, but you are definitely incorrect. Following the whole game and the live blog, I counted 9. Perhaps 2 were called strikes and then changed, but if you listened to the announcers/watched the crew, there were many more that were called balls and therefore might have went unnoticed by those who were not looking specifically for them.

KJ, like I, were using the box scores as a reference. Considering these are officia statsl, you would think their documentation would be accurate. After all, this IS the NCAA, not some chicken **** travel ball outfit

Of course, why would such a large and statistically-heavy organization not have the proper programs? The NCAA scoring scheme uses ILP, not BK as their given indicator. Programming something to accommodate their game cannot be that difficult or expensive. Dave and Chuck could probably give us better insight to that point.

I guess I should be shamed for using "official" data in my discussion, so, Ed, you must be right concerning the number. However, I'd be willing to bet the ratio of ILPs and BKs are relatively the same.

And, again, a leap IS an illegal pitch and your pitcher knows it, as does the coach. As noted elsewhere, the argument since Day One has not been legal versus illegal, but the fact they are being called.

And I will remain behind these umpires, I know they are good and have all the confidence in the world on their performance.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by PSUchem

KJ, sorry, but you are definitely incorrect. Following the whole game and the live blog, I counted 9. Perhaps 2 were called strikes and then changed, but if you listened to the announcers/watched the crew, there were many more that were called balls and therefore might have went unnoticed by those who were not looking specifically for them.

I should have cited my information source....the box score for the each game... sloppy posting on my part.
I do not concern myself with what announcers say. Most of the time they are wrong, or at the least, not 100% accurate in what they are saying.
If I'm incorrect, then the official NCAA box score for the game is incorrect also. Go to the Big East Conference website and check the box scores for both games yourself.
Like Irish, I think that the box score would be pretty accurate. As he said, "this IS the NCAA." An I'd like to add, we are talking the conference tournament. I would suspect that they have more than the usual compliment of stats people on hand than they would at a regular season game.
AtlUmpSteve, provides information on how the stat is tracked/recorded that I was not aware of. Could there be a difference of 8 IP'S? Well after reading his post, yes, I guess there could.
However, I just find it odd, that because you "counted 9", that's correct. I cite the official box score (as did Irish) to support my post, and I'm "definitely wrong."

[PSUchem]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

I should have cited my information source....the box score for the each game... sloppy posting on my part.
I do not concern myself with what announcers say. Most of the time they are wrong, or at the least, not 100% accurate in what they are saying.
If I'm incorrect, then the official NCAA box score for the game is incorrect also. Go to the Big East Conference website and check the box scores for both games yourself.
Being as how the conference tracks IP's for each Big East pitcher throughout the season, and also compiles stats on IP's by team, and being as how the source of their information is the official NCCA box score for the game, I guess that makes me, and the statistical staffs of both the NCAA and the Big East also "definitely incorrect."
I guess the NCCA and the Big East would like to hear from you so they can correct their error and change the IP count for the game to 9 and update their stats.....I mean after all you were watching the game and counting.

Geeze, sorry KJ, I didn't mean to offend. Like Steve said, the IP's in the box scores exist only to explain things like advancement of runners. Yes, I was watching the game (twice, in fact, as it was replayed again that night). I also do not usually trust the announcers, but saw the extended arm of the umpire for many of the IP's, and I'm pretty sure by now the announcers understand what that means. I also followed the live blog on the 'Cuse website during the replay and found it to be an accurate representation of the game (minus the ridiculous opinions, of course). I counted 9. If there were only 2 or 3 like the box score suggests, do you think there would be such an uproar?

As much as I think EdJW is full of baloney, I wanted to make sure we were all on the same page.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by PSUchem

Geeze, sorry KJ, I didn't mean to offend. Like Steve said, the IP's in the box scores exist only to explain things like advancement of runners. Yes, I was watching the game (twice, in fact, as it was replayed again that night). I also do not usually trust the announcers, but saw the extended arm of the umpire for many of the IP's, and I'm pretty sure by now the announcers understand what that means. I also followed the live blog on the 'Cuse website during the replay and found it to be an accurate representation of the game (minus the ridiculous opinions, of course). I counted 9. If there were only 2 or 3 like the box score suggests, do you think there would be such an uproar?

As much as I think EdJW is full of baloney, I wanted to make sure we were all on the same page.

PSU....no problem. I clearly see (& understand) your view on the OP. You are of course right in your comment about the likelihood of an uproar over 2/3 IP's. And we're certainly on the same page regarding EdJW's comments.