Big East 1st Base Ump

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EdJW

Calling illegal pitches big time. In the DePaul/Syracuse game. Has he already gone way beyond reasonable NCAA standards and taken the game away from the Cuse?

Bull****! If John K called an IP, it was an IP.

BTW, how can JK taken a game away from SU when they won the game?

Just couldn't resist taking a shot at an umpire even though that crew is a very good and have more championship (NCAA, ASA & ISF) than you could possibly imagine.

[EdJW]

This bogus ump called 11 illegal pitches and obviously didn't see the catch that triggered the game ending double play. After standing there looking for help for 20 seconds she decided to call the out on the catch. How embarrassing for a crew that somebody seems to like. This crew should spend the rest of their senior years in T-ball.

[okla21fan]

I watched the finals. While the center field camera angle is worthless. If the blues called 11 IPs, I think they could have called 30 more. (from that CF cam angle) I just could not tell that much a difference between what was considered legal and illegal, but the Syracuse pitcher was catching air alot. imo

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EdJW

This bogus ump called 11 illegal pitches and obviously didn't see the catch that triggered the game ending double play. After standing there looking for help for 20 seconds she decided to call the out on the catch. How embarrassing for a crew that somebody seems to like. This crew should spend the rest of their senior years in T-ball.

The 1B umpire was a male. And a very accomplished umpire.

And you think they got the assignment because someone liked them?

Just how long are you going to insist on displaying your ignorance and disdain for the game of softball?

[PSUchem]

Agree, the 'Cuse pitcher was leaping every. single. time. She's lucky the U1 didn't call 6 IP's in a row at the beginning of the game until the pitcher was removed.

And another thing... I don't do NCAA, but isn't the mechanic that the PU call the catch? How on earth would the U1 call the catch from BEHIND F3? EdJW, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

[EdJW]

But I'll take your word for it. Linda is a guy, if you say so. Too bad for him to have to go through life named Linda.

Regarding the assertion that HP umpire should have called the second out. What took him so long? Trying to take the game away from Syracuse, just like he tried yesterday at first base?

Regarding lots of air under the Cuse pitcher, LOL. She pitchers with a very short leap and drag. With her pivot foot down. No Cat Osterman!

Didn't the NCAA tell the umpires to back off following the early season disaster with all the bogus illegal pitch calls?

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by EdJW

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Didn't the NCAA tell the umpires to back off following the early season disaster with all the bogus illegal pitch calls?

The directive issued originally to think in terms of "if not legal, it must be illegal".

Late a memo went out empasising that illegal pitches are illegal and should always be called, but in determining illegal pitches think in terms of, "if not illegal, the pitch is legal"
A subtle way of looking at it, but I think I understood the emphasis.
I didn't see the Friday or Saturday Big E games being referred to, but from what I am hearing here and heard on the phone this morning, they were no brainers..

[IRISHMAFIA]

Standard non-response

Originally Posted by EdJW

But I'll take your word for it. Linda is a guy, if you say so. Too bad for him to have to go through life named Linda.

Mr. Strawman,

The game of initial reference was the dePaul/Syracuse game on Friday. Linda was on 3B and you were complaining about the 1B umpire who was John K.

Nice try that runs your regular path of false data because you would rather make an *** of yourself than actually demonstrate any sense.

Regarding the assertion that HP umpire should have called the second out. What took him so long? Trying to take the game away from Syracuse, just like he tried yesterday at first base?

Now we are back to a male? And you demand consistency from an umpire?

Yeah, you are right. Rush Limbaugh made a pact with all the umpires assigned the Big East tournament as retaliation for losing his position at ESPN due to comments made concerning SU alum Donovan McNabb. Yeah, that must be it, a conspiracty against SU. Don't worry, Ed, your suffering will be short-lived.

Regarding lots of air under the Cuse pitcher, LOL. She pitchers with a very short leap and drag. With her pivot foot down. No Cat Osterman!

Yeah, that's why 'Cuse out IPs their opponent by a 4-1 margin. And you say a very short "leap". That IS an illegal pitch. What part of "leap" don't you understand.

Didn't the NCAA tell the umpires to back off following the early season disaster with all the bogus illegal pitch calls?

And you just keep on proving the point.

How can they be bogus? You just stated, quite clearly, that the pitcher leaps. Don't you ever tire of being wrong?

[EdJW]

Just in case you've forgotten the rules, leap and drag is legal.

Regarding Linda, are you now saying she's not a guy. If you followed the tread, you would have realized the continuation to the final game.

Regarding your damnation of Syracuse pitching, the season stats for the Cuse pitcher are 13 IPs in 184.1 innings. All these innings called by NCAA umpires. It's not reasonable to believe that all of these umpires got it wrong all season long. It's the umpires at the BE tournament who are way out of line.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by EdJW

This bogus ump called 11 illegal pitches and obviously didn't see the catch that triggered the game ending double play. After standing there looking for help for 20 seconds she decided to call the out on the catch. How embarrassing for a crew that somebody seems to like. This crew should spend the rest of their senior years in T-ball.

What do you do...just pick a number out of the air and post it as a fact???
There were a total of 2 IP's called in the Louisville/Syracuse game.
The same Syracuse pitcher (Caira) who had 3 called on the in the DePaul game.

[PSUchem]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

What do you do...just pick a number out of the air and post it as a fact???
There were a total of 2 IP's called in the Louisville/Syracuse game.
The same Syracuse pitcher (Caira) who had 3 called on the in the DePaul game.

KJ, sorry, but you are definitely incorrect. Following the whole game and the live blog, I counted 9. Perhaps 2 were called strikes and then changed, but if you listened to the announcers/watched the crew, there were many more that were called balls and therefore might have went unnoticed by those who were not looking specifically for them.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Another point of interest is that NCAA boxscores do not accurate track ALL illegal pitch calls. Since they use a standardized stats program that is based on baseball (modified just slightly to grasp the nuances of DP/FLEX versus the baseball DH rule), they only track cases where runners advance, and then only to explain the advance. That is why they still use BK (balk) in the box scores.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by PSUchem

KJ, sorry, but you are definitely incorrect. Following the whole game and the live blog, I counted 9. Perhaps 2 were called strikes and then changed, but if you listened to the announcers/watched the crew, there were many more that were called balls and therefore might have went unnoticed by those who were not looking specifically for them.

KJ, like I, were using the box scores as a reference. Considering these are officia statsl, you would think their documentation would be accurate. After all, this IS the NCAA, not some chicken **** travel ball outfit

Of course, why would such a large and statistically-heavy organization not have the proper programs? The NCAA scoring scheme uses ILP, not BK as their given indicator. Programming something to accommodate their game cannot be that difficult or expensive. Dave and Chuck could probably give us better insight to that point.

I guess I should be shamed for using "official" data in my discussion, so, Ed, you must be right concerning the number. However, I'd be willing to bet the ratio of ILPs and BKs are relatively the same.

And, again, a leap IS an illegal pitch and your pitcher knows it, as does the coach. As noted elsewhere, the argument since Day One has not been legal versus illegal, but the fact they are being called.

And I will remain behind these umpires, I know they are good and have all the confidence in the world on their performance.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by PSUchem

KJ, sorry, but you are definitely incorrect. Following the whole game and the live blog, I counted 9. Perhaps 2 were called strikes and then changed, but if you listened to the announcers/watched the crew, there were many more that were called balls and therefore might have went unnoticed by those who were not looking specifically for them.

I should have cited my information source....the box score for the each game... sloppy posting on my part.
I do not concern myself with what announcers say. Most of the time they are wrong, or at the least, not 100% accurate in what they are saying.
If I'm incorrect, then the official NCAA box score for the game is incorrect also. Go to the Big East Conference website and check the box scores for both games yourself.
Like Irish, I think that the box score would be pretty accurate. As he said, "this IS the NCAA." An I'd like to add, we are talking the conference tournament. I would suspect that they have more than the usual compliment of stats people on hand than they would at a regular season game.
AtlUmpSteve, provides information on how the stat is tracked/recorded that I was not aware of. Could there be a difference of 8 IP'S? Well after reading his post, yes, I guess there could.
However, I just find it odd, that because you "counted 9", that's correct. I cite the official box score (as did Irish) to support my post, and I'm "definitely wrong."

[PSUchem]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

I should have cited my information source....the box score for the each game... sloppy posting on my part.
I do not concern myself with what announcers say. Most of the time they are wrong, or at the least, not 100% accurate in what they are saying.
If I'm incorrect, then the official NCAA box score for the game is incorrect also. Go to the Big East Conference website and check the box scores for both games yourself.
Being as how the conference tracks IP's for each Big East pitcher throughout the season, and also compiles stats on IP's by team, and being as how the source of their information is the official NCCA box score for the game, I guess that makes me, and the statistical staffs of both the NCAA and the Big East also "definitely incorrect."
I guess the NCCA and the Big East would like to hear from you so they can correct their error and change the IP count for the game to 9 and update their stats.....I mean after all you were watching the game and counting.

Geeze, sorry KJ, I didn't mean to offend. Like Steve said, the IP's in the box scores exist only to explain things like advancement of runners. Yes, I was watching the game (twice, in fact, as it was replayed again that night). I also do not usually trust the announcers, but saw the extended arm of the umpire for many of the IP's, and I'm pretty sure by now the announcers understand what that means. I also followed the live blog on the 'Cuse website during the replay and found it to be an accurate representation of the game (minus the ridiculous opinions, of course). I counted 9. If there were only 2 or 3 like the box score suggests, do you think there would be such an uproar?

As much as I think EdJW is full of baloney, I wanted to make sure we were all on the same page.