ASA Slow Pitch Foul Tip

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by drh898

So, you're saying that the rule, "above the head" was taken out of the rule book in 2006 and that, unless it comes sharply and directly off the bat it would be considered a catch and, therefore, an out.

Close... Sharply and directly to the catcher's glove or hand AND is caught.

If it goes sharply and directly to the catcher's face, bounces off their forehead and is caught before touching the ground, it's an out, as the ball did not go sharply and directly to the glove or hand.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Close... Sharply and directly to the catcher's glove or hand AND is caught.

If it goes sharply and directly to the catcher's face, bounces off their forehead and is caught before touching the ground, it's an out, as the ball did not go sharply and directly to the glove or hand.

Are you sure about this? If so, I've misunderstood this rule. If the batter nicks the ball and it goes sharply and directly into the catcher's chest protector and then drops into the glove, you're saying you'd have an out, and I've understood it to be a foul ball. Your reading seems more natural, but that doesn't always mean a lot and I like my rule better.
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[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by youngump

Are you sure about this? If so, I've misunderstood this rule. If the batter nicks the ball and it goes sharply and directly into the catcher's chest protector and then drops into the glove, you're saying you'd have an out, and I've understood it to be a foul ball. Your reading seems more natural, but that doesn't always mean a lot and I like my rule better.

The word I highlighted is the clincher. If it goes to the chest protector first, did it go directly to the hand or glove? No, it went directly to the chest protector. It just ended up in the glove or hand.

I've got a caught fly ball for an out.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

The word I highlighted is the clincher. If it goes to the chest protector first, did it go directly to the hand or glove? No, it went directly to the chest protector. It just ended up in the glove or hand.

I've got a caught fly ball for an out.

In NFHS if it hits the catcher without hitting the hand or glove first it's a dead ball so therefore it can't be caught for an out. 5-1-1-d-2

What's the ASA rules say?

(FYI the baseball rules say it's not a catch if it's a rebound.)

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

In NFHS if it hits the catcher without hitting the hand or glove first it's a dead ball so therefore it can't be caught for an out. 5-1-1-d-2

What's the ASA rules say?

(FYI the baseball rules say it's not a catch if it's a rebound.)

There's no such stipulation in ASA.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

There's no such stipulation in ASA.

NCAA SB is the same as NFHS and baseball. Is ASA really out of touch with the rest of the world?

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

In NFHS if it hits the catcher without hitting the hand or glove first it's a dead ball so therefore it can't be caught for an out. 5-1-1-d-2

What's the ASA rules say?

(FYI the baseball rules say it's not a catch if it's a rebound.)

They're ambiguous enough to get to either rule.
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[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by youngump

They're ambiguous enough to get to either rule.

How is the ASA rule ambiguous? Either it went sharply and directly to the catcher's glove or hand without a perceptible arc AND is caught, or it didn't.

[IRISHMAFIA]

This is heading down a path Bretman and I encountered on another board.

ASA refers to "sharply and directly" on when addressing a foul tip. ASA only refers to "directly" when addressing a foul ball which first touches a part of the catcher or equipment other than the hand(s) or glove.

By the way the rule presently reads, the only time this happens and it is a foul ball is when a fielder other than the catcher catches the ball in flight off the catcher. The discussion is if it is to be called as youngump notes, why would ASA include "another fielder" in the rule declaring the ball foul (Rule 1 - Definitions Foul Ball)?

[youngump]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

How is the ASA rule ambiguous? Either it went sharply and directly to the catcher's glove or hand without a perceptible arc AND is caught, or it didn't.

The rule is not ambiguous about what a foul tip is. The rule is ambiguous about whether a ball fouled off the catcher can still be caught for an out. [Though I readily concede your reading is more natural, someone who thought the rule was the other way wouldn't be convinced they were wrong by reading it.]
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