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Slow Pitch - Foul Tip?
The ASA rule book says "sharply or directly" to the catcher's hands. I interpret this as being "straight" back with no perceptible direction change at all. Anything that changes direction that I can see is a foul ball.
Is my interpetation too strict? I've never seen one go "straight back" in slowpitch....they always have a slight change in direction.
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In 15 years, I've only seen maybe 4 actual foul tips.
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The rule says directly to the catcher's mitt... so what do you look for? The catcher's mitt.
If she had to move it to catch it, it's an out. If she didn't, assuming no VERY visible loop, it's not. I agree that in slowpitch this is rare (honestly, I don't remember one, but I do maybe 10 SP games a year vs 75-100 FP). See it all day long in FP though.
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I just had my first SP foul tip three weeks ago - only one I've seen in going on 5 years. I was caught off gaurd, and I'll admit there was a slight delay before I dug the signal out of my memory bank and used it (I only work SP).
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There were two problems with "higher than the batter's head." The first was that it wasn't a determining criterion and was thus not necessary. The rule made perfect sense without it.
The second was that it was inaccurate and thus misleading. A spinning bloop that F2 dove to her right to catch was obviously an out, even if it hadn't gone higher than the batter's head. And a pitch that was over the batter's head but was swung at and nicked directly back into F2's outstretched glove was also clearly not an out but a foul tip. Had this one last Sunday in the district junior college FP tournament in Georgetown, Delaware: The batter swung and nicked a 1-2 pitch, and the ball went directly off the catcher's hand and lodged behind her chest protector. The catcher reached under her protector and plucked the ball out. The offensive coach immediately yelled that it wasn't a foul tip, because the ball had to go directly into the hand or glove. Of course, he was right that it wasn't a foul tip, but for the wrong reason. In certain SP, outs on fouls to the catcher may be more common than you might think. Especially at high levels, some catchers do not squat behind the plate but instead, to give the umpire a better view, stand directly behind the batter's box opposite the batter, leaving the plate wide open to view. (Remember that the softball box is as wide as both batter's boxes.) In that position, catchers stand a much better chance of snagging fouls for outs.
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True, but as I said - in 15 years, I've only seen maybe 4 actual foul tips. I'm still a bit lost as to how my previous statement was incorrect. My understanding of the old rule is exactly as you stated it. Maybe I just couldn't hablo very well today.
Regardless, the rule has changed, and I think it changed for the better. It makes more sense now, and I am glad for that.
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