ASA Slow Pitch Foul Tip

[greymule]

They deleted "not higher than the batter's head" because it was misleading and confusing. The batter's head was actually never the defining criterion. The wording was intended to indicate that if the ball rises over the batter's head, it can't be a foul tip, but it led people to believe that (1) if it didn't rise over the batter's head and F2 caught it, it had to be a foul tip, even though a case play contradicted that notion, and (2) if F2 did catch it over the batter's head, it could not be a foul tip, which is not true. (A batter could swing and nick a pitch over his head, and the ball could go sharp and direct into F2's outstretched glove—an obvious foul tip but still over the batter's head.)

[drh898]

So, you're saying that the rule, "above the head" was taken out of the rule book in 2006 and that, unless it comes sharply and directly off the bat it would be considered a catch and, therefore, an out.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by drh898

So, you're saying that the rule, "above the head" was taken out of the rule book in 2006 and that, unless it comes sharply and directly off the bat it would be considered a catch and, therefore, an out.

Close... Sharply and directly to the catcher's glove or hand AND is caught.

If it goes sharply and directly to the catcher's face, bounces off their forehead and is caught before touching the ground, it's an out, as the ball did not go sharply and directly to the glove or hand.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Close... Sharply and directly to the catcher's glove or hand AND is caught.

If it goes sharply and directly to the catcher's face, bounces off their forehead and is caught before touching the ground, it's an out, as the ball did not go sharply and directly to the glove or hand.

Are you sure about this? If so, I've misunderstood this rule. If the batter nicks the ball and it goes sharply and directly into the catcher's chest protector and then drops into the glove, you're saying you'd have an out, and I've understood it to be a foul ball. Your reading seems more natural, but that doesn't always mean a lot and I like my rule better.
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[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by youngump

Are you sure about this? If so, I've misunderstood this rule. If the batter nicks the ball and it goes sharply and directly into the catcher's chest protector and then drops into the glove, you're saying you'd have an out, and I've understood it to be a foul ball. Your reading seems more natural, but that doesn't always mean a lot and I like my rule better.

The word I highlighted is the clincher. If it goes to the chest protector first, did it go directly to the hand or glove? No, it went directly to the chest protector. It just ended up in the glove or hand.

I've got a caught fly ball for an out.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

The word I highlighted is the clincher. If it goes to the chest protector first, did it go directly to the hand or glove? No, it went directly to the chest protector. It just ended up in the glove or hand.

I've got a caught fly ball for an out.

In NFHS if it hits the catcher without hitting the hand or glove first it's a dead ball so therefore it can't be caught for an out. 5-1-1-d-2

What's the ASA rules say?

(FYI the baseball rules say it's not a catch if it's a rebound.)

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

In NFHS if it hits the catcher without hitting the hand or glove first it's a dead ball so therefore it can't be caught for an out. 5-1-1-d-2

What's the ASA rules say?

(FYI the baseball rules say it's not a catch if it's a rebound.)

There's no such stipulation in ASA.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

In NFHS if it hits the catcher without hitting the hand or glove first it's a dead ball so therefore it can't be caught for an out. 5-1-1-d-2

What's the ASA rules say?

(FYI the baseball rules say it's not a catch if it's a rebound.)

They're ambiguous enough to get to either rule.
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