Courtesy runner in top of the 1st

[Dakota]

A projected substitution is one that the coach can't actually make now; i.e. one that if you note it on the line up card, your lineup card now shows the future lineup instead of the present one.

For example, if a coach enters two pinch hitters and then wants to re-enter his starter if the first pinch hitter gets on base. You can take both pinch hitters (you don't have to wait until each comes to bat), but you can't take the re-entry yet since that is a projected sub.

In the OP, you can take the entry of DP for FLEX, and FLEX has now left the game. It really doesn't matter that the team is not yet on defense; the change can be noted on the lineup without something else happening first.

[RadioBlue]

Originally Posted by Dakota

A projected substitution is one that the coach can't actually make now; i.e. one that if you note it on the line up card, your lineup card now shows the future lineup instead of the present one.

For example, if a coach enters two pinch hitters and then wants to re-enter his starter if the first pinch hitter gets on base. You can take both pinch hitters (you don't have to wait until each comes to bat), but you can't take the re-entry yet since that is a projected sub.

In the OP, you can take the entry of DP for FLEX, and FLEX has now left the game. It really doesn't matter that the team is not yet on defense; the change can be noted on the lineup without something else happening first.

I've always had issue with the fact that the term "projected substitution" was not defined.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

I've always had issue with the fact that the term "projected substitution" was not defined.

Aside from NCAA, (which only addresses projected re-entries), do any of the other rule sets have any language that specifically addresses the term "projected substitution" (which is certainly a more all encompassing phrase the "projected re-entries")?

NCAA Substitute Player 8.5.1.2
A coach of the team making the substitution shall immediately notify the plate umpire at the time a substitute enters the game. Projected re-entries are not allowed.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by RadioBlue

I've always had issue with the fact that the term "projected substitution" was not defined.

Does anyone have a problem with this explanation?

"Future or projected substitutions are cases where a sub will replace a player who will still participate in some manner before the sub takes over. "

e.g.,
- the obvious re-rentry prediction
- #7 will replace #12 in the field, but #12 will bat this inning
- #30 will bat for #18 when we get up, but #18 will play the field this inning
- etc.

Any change that can occur right away is therefore not projected or future. That includes reporting subs for the next two batters at the same time, and DP/FLEX maneuvers; as long as the replaced player actually leaves the game.

[RadioBlue]

"Future or projected substitutions are cases where a sub will replace a player who will still participate in some manner before the sub takes over. "

I don't have a problem with that explaination, at all. I just wish it was expressly defined in the rulebook. (And as you have defined it would be just fine, Cecil.)

[IRISHMAFIA]

I really don't see the need. When you take a change, you make the change. Why would it be necessary to provide extraneous explanation for something that isn't supposed to be available to begin.

Of course, you could always go this route:

Coach: 24 is going to hit for 13. 13 will re-enter.
Umpire: Coach, give me the change when it happens.
Coach: I just did.
Umpire: Fine, coach. 24 is back in the game and 13 has used one of their two entries into the game. Any other players you would like to waste?
Coach: But...uh...no...I didn't.....what?
Umpire: Thanks, Coach, the dugout is that way.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Does anyone have a problem with this explanation?

"Future or projected substitutions are cases where a sub will replace a player who will still participate in some manner before the sub takes over. "

e.g.,
- the obvious re-rentry prediction
- #7 will replace #12 in the field, but #12 will bat this inning
- #30 will bat for #18 when we get up, but #18 will play the field this inning
- etc.

Any change that can occur right away is therefore not projected or future. That includes reporting subs for the next two batters at the same time, and DP/FLEX maneuvers; as long as the replaced player actually leaves the game.

Would be interested to see the method used to keep track of that, (it's not going to happen now, but later) on a line up card.