ASA Test: bait and switch

[AtlUmpSteve]

Sounds like some inadvertant transposition. I wouldn't consider it a conspiracy.

All that aside, I treat the test as a tool for training and education; it is marginally, at best, a factor for evaluating my umpires (unless they get a horrible score!!). Is it that big an issue to you, or more a matter of personal satisfaction (when you know it changed)?

Some of us (at least I do) know Glenn, your state UIC, well enough to vouch for your situation. Is that needed?

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Sounds like some inadvertant transposition. I wouldn't consider it a conspiracy.

All that aside, I treat the test as a tool for training and education; it is marginally, at best, a factor for evaluating my umpires (unless they get a horrible score!!). Is it that big an issue to you, or more a matter of personal satisfaction (when you know it changed)?

Some of us (at least I do) know Glenn, your state UIC, well enough to vouch for your situation. Is that needed?

Steve, I view it a more an issue of quality control than a conspiracy. I don't understand how or why changes would be made to the document once it was posted on a national website. There's even a little "Revised: 12/08" on the back of the document [same on both versions] that would indicate or at least imply that it was under revsion control of some sort.

I believe Glenn is aware of my rules knowledge, and I don't know if anyone at our regional or state levels is really "keeping score". But I won't turn down an offer to speak glowingly of me to him.

Who knows, maybe I got 4 or 5 answers right as a result of choices made on the web version of the test.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Steve, I view it a more an issue of quality control than a conspiracy. I don't understand how or why changes would be made to the document once it was posted on a national website. There's even a little "Revised: 12/08" on the back of the document [same on both versions] that would indicate or at least imply that it was under revsion control of some sort.

I believe Glenn is aware of my rules knowledge, and I don't know if anyone at our regional or state levels is really "keeping score". But I won't turn down an offer to speak glowingly of me to him.

Who knows, maybe I got 4 or 5 answers right as a result of choices made on the web version of the test.

Don't know what you are talking about, my copy and the web are the same.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Don't know what you are talking about, my copy and the web are the same.

What I'm talking about is the version of the exam I downloaded [and saved] is different than the hard copy exam that was sent to me. If you like, I can send it to you.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

What I'm talking about is the version of the exam I downloaded [and saved] is different than the hard copy exam that was sent to me. If you like, I can send it to you.

That's to what I'm referring.

Maybe they caught it and made a change because both look the same here.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

...There's even a little "Revised: 12/08" on the back of the document [same on both versions] that would indicate or at least imply that it was under revision control of some sort....

OK, so they caught an error and fixed it. Putting a revision indicator on the document and then revising the document without changing the revision indicator is just sloppy.

But, then, so is taking an exam without actually reading the questions before answering!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

OK, so they caught an error and fixed it. Putting a revision indicator on the document and then revising the document without changing the revision indicator is just sloppy.

But, then, so is taking an exam without actually reading the questions before answering!

I don't think that is what Ted did. I believe he took the test based in one format the the answer key was based upon another.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I don't think that is what Ted did. I believe he took the test based in one format the the answer key was based upon another.

Exactly. Who'd_a_thunk there'd be differences from one to the other. My printed out web version has a reference for every answer and is color-coded for pitching, obstruction, interference, substitutions, equipment, etc.

That probably goes a bit further than the average blue, but I keep my exams for refreshers. Gotta remember about rule changes, though, during the years.

I come to this forum for a sounding board and to get answers or confirmations for things I've seen or discussed locally. I've learned a lot here, and I'm grateful for the opportunity to participate.

[ronald]

i do not think they did any bait and switch. I suggest a new title.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Well, perhaps from a lawyer's perspective, bait and switch might be a little too strong. That might involve malicious and intentional actions to deceive a customer.

Guess I'm not a customer, but an "independent contractor". And, the title was meant as tongue in cheek, despite the lack of smiley thingies.

In any case, the quality control aspect of producing and publishing the test was definitely lacking. I did get a response from KR:

"Ted,

I was informed that the test on the web did not match the printed exam. During the development of the test we had several versions and I found out the version on the web was incorrect. I made the change to the web one and informed all the RUIC of the change so to be sure everyone new. Apparently it did not filter down to you. I apologies for the confusion.

Kevin"
I'm over it until next year's test comes out.