ASA Pitcher Delay

[Stevetheump]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

I've had only one. The UIC agreed with my ruling, and play continued.

NC - Too many (mostly younger) umpires get flustered when a coach says that 7-letter word "protest." That's why it is important ALL umpires know what can - and cannot - be protested.
I had a coach a couple years ago try to protest a game (ASA SP)on a "foul tip." He thought the batter should have been called "out" (the ft was only her 2nd strike). I told him he could not protest a game on a judgment call. You could almost see the steam coming out of his ears. I ended up ejecting him for a personal attack directed at me. Come to find out, he was President of the league.
Good "role model," huh?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Stevetheump

NC - Too many (mostly younger) umpires get flustered when a coach says that 7-letter word "protest." That's why it is important ALL umpires know what can - and cannot - be protested.
I had a coach a couple years ago try to protest a game (ASA SP)on a "foul tip." He thought the batter should have been called "out" (the ft was only her 2nd strike). I told him he could not protest a game on a judgment call. You could almost see the steam coming out of his ears. I ended up ejecting him for a personal attack directed at me. Come to find out, he was President of the league.
Good "role model," huh?

Oh, I don't mind protests. In fact, during one tourney, I casually asked the coach if he would like to have the rule interpretation protested (I posted the situation here, which led to quite the debate). In that instance, the coach declined, and we played ball. In the instance I mentioned earlier, the coach was so frazzled that all he knew was that he wanted "to... to... to talk to somebody!"

"Coach, what you're saying is you want to protest, right? "

"Yeah! That's what I mean!"

"Okay, no problem. Hey, UIC! "

I have no problem with protests. I'm confident in my ability to interpret and apply the rules correctly, and I don't take it personally.

[Stevetheump]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Oh, I don't mind protests. In fact, during one tourney, I casually asked the coach if he would like to have the rule interpretation protested (I posted the situation here, which led to quite the debate). In that instance, the coach declined, and we played ball. In the instance I mentioned earlier, the coach was so frazzled that all he knew was that he wanted "to... to... to talk to somebody!"

"Coach, what you're saying is you want to protest, right? "

"Yeah! That's what I mean!"

"Okay, no problem. Hey, UIC! "

I have no problem with protests. I'm confident in my ability to interpret and apply the rules correctly, and I don't take it personally.

I don't have a problem with protests either. But, I emphasize to my fellow umpires that they must go on the field with a good "working knowledge" of the rules and if needed, go to the rulebook to get the correct interpretation. If they just "wing it," that ump could be back on the field to finish a game HE screwed up. I know that doesn't happen that often, but the possibility is there, nonetheless.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Stevetheump

I don't have a problem with protests either. But, I emphasize to my fellow umpires that they must go on the field with a good "working knowledge" of the rules and if needed, go to the rulebook to get the correct interpretation. If they just "wing it," that ump could be back on the field to finish a game HE screwed up. I know that doesn't happen that often, but the possibility is there, nonetheless.

Different organizations have different opinions on whether an umpire should have the rulebook with him/her on the field. My understanding from blues on this board is that the NCAA requires it (please correct me if I'm wrong), while in ASA, it's frowned upon. Without going into a whole debate as to why one side is wrong or right, I'll just sum it up that both sides have merited arguments.

Then again, I do have the PDF version of the ASA rule book on my phone...

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Different organizations have different opinions on whether an umpire should have the rulebook with him/her on the field. My understanding from blues on this board is that the NCAA requires it (please correct me if I'm wrong), while in ASA, it's frowned upon. Without going into a whole debate as to why one side is wrong or right, I'll just sum it up that both sides have merited arguments.

Then again, I do have the PDF version of the ASA rule book on my phone...

NCAA requires that the rulebook be accessible. I keep one in my car during games. Coaches usually have a rulebook in the dugout.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

NCAA requires that the rulebook be accessible. I keep one in my car during games. Coaches usually have a rulebook in the dugout.

Thanks for the clarification, Scott.

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Different organizations have different opinions on whether an umpire should have the rulebook with him/her on the field. My understanding from blues on this board is that the NCAA requires it (please correct me if I'm wrong), while in ASA, it's frowned upon. Without going into a whole debate as to why one side is wrong or right, I'll just sum it up that both sides have merited arguments.

Then again, I do have the PDF version of the ASA rule book on my phone...

I was watching two small D1 schools from Texas last spring and there was an over 20 minute 'delay' when one of the coaches broke out the rule book for a thrown ball out of play and the placement of runners. It was really humorous though as even with all that, the three blues on the field still didn't 'get it right'

here is the play in question:
zero outs.
R2 one 1st, R1 on 2nd, B3 hits a ground ball to F6. F6 fields the batted ball, and steps on 3rd base forcing R1 out for the 1st out by 4 to 5 steps. F6 then throws the ball to F3, however the throw is low/wide, tipping off F6's glove, then into dead ball territory.

after a conference of the 3 blues, they awarded R2 home (and then the fire works commenced)

It was very clear that R2 had not reached 2nd base at the point of release of the throw from F6, but non of the blues knew for sure. The real problem though was that it didn't appear the coach understood the rule in the first place and was 'arguing' that because the ball was tipped, the dead ball award should be different. In the end, rule books were broke out by both coaches, the blues on the field still awarded R2 home. which they latter admitted to another umpire buddy of mine was the wrong call.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

...Then again, I do have the PDF version of the ASA rule book on my phone...

Here he goes with the phone thing again.....

Some organizations frown at you having your phone on the field...jus' sayin....

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Andy

Here he goes with the phone thing again.....

Some organizations frown at you having your phone on the field...jus' sayin....

I don't have it on the field. It is, however, in my equipment bag, which is either on the bleachers during league play or in the tower during tourneys.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Then again, I do have the PDF version of the ASA rule book on my phone...

Although obviously it is off.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Although obviously it is off.

What do you mean it's off? You mean turned off? It's definitely not in any of my pockets on the field. That's a $600 phone!

[Stevetheump]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

What do you mean it's off? You mean turned off? It's definitely not in any of my pockets on the field. That's a $600 phone!

NC - A $600 PHONE? For that price, I hope it can slice, dice & make Julienne fries (as well as make a call).