Obstruction Call- LA Dodgers game

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

wow... completely contradicts ASA. I was fired up when I saw that call. Guess I'm wrong.

I think you mean ASA completely contradicts OBR. ASA is based off of baseball and OBR and made changes they thought best suited softball.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

I think you mean ASA completely contradicts OBR. ASA is based off of baseball and OBR and made changes they thought best suited softball.

It's a SOFTBALL forum.

[Tru_in_Blu]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

It's a SOFTBALL forum.

Thanx, I was beginning to think it was a beer forum.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Thanx, I was beginning to think it was a beer forum.

Can't it be both?

[greymule]

From Wiki, for what it's worth:

The first version of softball was invented in Chicago, Illinois, on Thanksgiving Day, 1887 by George Hancock and Bakir Dzananovic as a winter version of baseball. It was intended to be a way for baseball players to keep in practice during the winter. At the time, the sport was called "Indoor Baseball."

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by greymule

From Wiki, for what it's worth:

The first version of softball was invented in Chicago, Illinois, on Thanksgiving Day, 1887 by George Hancock and Bakir Dzananovic as a winter version of baseball. It was intended to be a way for baseball players to keep in practice during the winter. At the time, the sport was called "Indoor Baseball."

And that is where the reference to baseball ended. But, then again, I think your source is suspect.

Hancock, a reporter, was noted to have instituted rules for his game. Obviously there is a similarity to baseball, which at that time was still in it's infancy, but no differently than Gaelic or Australian Rules football is to soccer though they are different games.

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by greymule

From Wiki, for what it's worth:

The first version of softball was invented in Chicago, Illinois, on Thanksgiving Day, 1887 by George Hancock and Bakir Dzananovic as a winter version of baseball. It was intended to be a way for baseball players to keep in practice during the winter. At the time, the sport was called "Indoor Baseball."

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

And that is where the reference to baseball ended. But, then again, I think your source is suspect.

Hancock, a reporter, was noted to have instituted rules for his game. Obviously there is a similarity to baseball, which at that time was still in it's infancy, but no differently than Gaelic or Australian Rules football is to soccer though they are different games.

with all due respect to both of you, i think you both are completely missing my point. while i know nothing of the history of softball, i have a hard time believing that softball is not based off of baseball. There are probably 10,000 similarities in the ASA rule book and OBR rule book, do you really think this is a coincidence?

ASA est 1933
USSSA est 1968
NSA est 1982

National League est 1876
American League est 1901

[greymule]

Steve:

Softball was obviously derived from baseball. I am not an expert in "rounders," but I don't know of a single softball rule specifically chosen from that game. A little research on rounders reveals only a general and rather vague structural correlation to baseball (or softball)—about like that between rugby and football. The rounders rules I am familiar with are completely foreign to baseball. The similarities between softball and baseball are far too great for the two games to have evolved separately from the same ancient source.

For that matter, football, rugby, ice hockey, polo—games where the teams defend goals on the opposite ends of a field—undoubtedly had their origins in some form of soccer. This does not make those sports in any way inferior.

Some softball people are sensitive about the common notion that softball is somehow a lesser game than baseball—that baseball takes more skill to play and to umpire—and resent it when baseball people disparage softball. ("He was a good ballplayer, but at his age and weight he should be playing softball.") I think this is the root of the desire to establish softball as owing little to baseball.

I would add that as much as I love baseball, focused on it as a player for many years, and respect the enormous work that has gone into interpreting and clarifying its rules, I prefer to watch college softball over MLB.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by steveshane67

I think you mean ASA completely contradicts OBR. ASA is based off of baseball and OBR and made changes they thought best suited softball.

Maybe, maybe not. Softball more resembles rounders than baseball and that is where both games originated.