Not on lineup card !!!!

[Dakota]

I'd let him put the player in the lineup last, but I would not allow him to insert her in the middle. I would not consider that a sub entry, either; just a lineup mistake being corrected. She can't be a sub, since no one is coming out.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Hang on folks! You are ready to crucify the PU and we haven't even found out how many names were on the original line up yet.

For as much as we know, this could be a SP game or local rules which demand/allow more than nine batters.

THREE, can you give us more information such as:

Type of game
Special local rules
Number of players on original line-up
Did the umpire check the line-up cards at the pre game

Thanks

[THREE]

Type of game----Youth Fastpitch

Special local rules (2 EP's & 1 BB (base bandit)

Number of players on original line-up (as turned in by coach)--11

Did the umpire check the line-up cards at the pregame-yes!
Did he catch that no one was listed for 2nd base? No!
And why does it matter if he did or did not.
Do you have one rule to apply it he checked line-up
and another rule to apply if he didn't check line-up
and then another rule if he checked line-up and didn't catch problem.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by THREE

Type of game----Youth Fastpitch

Special local rules (2 EP's & 1 BB (base bandit)

Number of players on original line-up (as turned in by coach)--11

Did the umpire check the line-up cards at the pregame-yes!
Did he catch that no one was listed for 2nd base? No!
And why does it matter if he did or did not.
Do you have one rule to apply it he checked line-up
and another rule to apply if he didn't check line-up
and then another rule if he checked line-up and didn't catch problem.

No, the rules are the same, but if there were only 8 names on the original, the PU really screwed up. Couldn't care less if the umpire didn't notice there was no one assigned to 2B.

I don't see where the umpire is wrong at all. To the OP, the girl sits and was never officially in the game, but is now an available substitute. Then again, I'm playing this by ear.

[argodad]

Seems like this is a local rec league by Three's description.

My gut reaction is to add her after the last listed batter and play on. (Completely unsupported by rule reference -- but in the spirit of getting them in the game. If local rules have two EPs and a runner, my interpretation is that they want to get kids on the field.)

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by argodad

Seems like this is a local rec league by Three's description.

I certainly hope so!!!

My gut reaction is to add her after the last listed batter and play on. (Completely unsupported by rule reference -- but in the spirit of getting them in the game. If local rules have two EPs and a runner, my interpretation is that they want to get kids on the field.)

Assuming that the present line up is not already at the limit, right? Now, if the league had a "bat the bench" allowance, sure, knock yourself out.

[Tru_in_Blu]

"Base bandit" is a new term for me. I didn't realize I've been so sheltered all this time.

So, what exactly does a base bandit do? Is it someone who can't bat or field but can run like crazy? When can the bandit be employed? For any player at any time? Once a game? Once an inning? For a designated player only, I.E. as courtesy runner for pitcher or catcher?

Thanx.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by THREE

Type of game----Youth Fastpitch

Special local rules (2 EP's & 1 BB (base bandit)

Number of players on original line-up (as turned in by coach)--11... (removed stuff that doesn't matter...)

If the lineup was complete with 11 players (sounds like it was), then the lineup was official when accepted by the plate umpire. It doesn't matter whether or not he intended to have her in the lineup - he didn't.

She can be entered into the game as a sub. Her prior playing on defense is irrelevant since no one caught it at the time.