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Not on lineup card !!!!
O.K.! Heres the deal! Bottom of the third inning. Offensive coach request timeout. Coach tells plate umpire that #3, his second baseman is due to bat next.(she has already played defense in top of first and second inning) However, he (the coach) forgot to put her in the lineup. She is not listed anywhere on the lineup. Coach wants to know what to do? (not relevant but #3 is standing at plate with bat in her hands)
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Unfortunate, but in a sanctioned game, #3 can not be added.
She can be a sub, as a PH for example, if the coach wants here batting right then. As far as already fielding in all three innings, there was no appeal by the other team, so that stands. However, unless used as a sub, #3 can not field anymore. Would anyone think the coach was trying to just pick the spot she was needed most to have her at bat? :eek: :( |
Dont know why the coach didnt list her on the line up card to begin with, but as long as she is a legal player on his roster she can be added to the line up card. 4-1-A2
Defense didnt catch her playing so nothing to do there. Add her to the line up card, make the substitution and play on. |
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"(already played defense in top of first and second inning) However, he (the coach) forgot to put her in the lineup)" |
Were there only 8 players listed in the batting order?
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Like Tom asked - there are only 8 defensive players listed? |
I echo Steve and Tom.
Why wasn't this caught at the pregame lineup check? But back to the original question....let's say the lineup only listed eight batters and the PU either didn't check or miscounted or whatever....now what? I can't see making the offense play shorthanded for something that should have been caught by the PU, but it also doesn't seem right to just insert the player in the lineup and move on... |
I'd let him put the player in the lineup last, but I would not allow him to insert her in the middle. I would not consider that a sub entry, either; just a lineup mistake being corrected. She can't be a sub, since no one is coming out.
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Hang on folks! You are ready to crucify the PU and we haven't even found out how many names were on the original line up yet.
For as much as we know, this could be a SP game or local rules which demand/allow more than nine batters. THREE, can you give us more information such as: Type of game Special local rules Number of players on original line-up Did the umpire check the line-up cards at the pre game Thanks |
Type of game----Youth Fastpitch
Special local rules (2 EP's & 1 BB (base bandit) Number of players on original line-up (as turned in by coach)--11 Did the umpire check the line-up cards at the pregame-yes! Did he catch that no one was listed for 2nd base? No! And why does it matter if he did or did not. Do you have one rule to apply it he checked line-up and another rule to apply if he didn't check line-up and then another rule if he checked line-up and didn't catch problem. |
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I don't see where the umpire is wrong at all. To the OP, the girl sits and was never officially in the game, but is now an available substitute. Then again, I'm playing this by ear. |
Seems like this is a local rec league by Three's description.
My gut reaction is to add her after the last listed batter and play on. (Completely unsupported by rule reference -- but in the spirit of getting them in the game. If local rules have two EPs and a runner, my interpretation is that they want to get kids on the field.) |
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She can be entered into the game as a sub. Her prior playing on defense is irrelevant since no one caught it at the time. |
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"Base bandit" is a new term for me. I didn't realize I've been so sheltered all this time.
So, what exactly does a base bandit do? Is it someone who can't bat or field but can run like crazy? When can the bandit be employed? For any player at any time? Once a game? Once an inning? For a designated player only, I.E. as courtesy runner for pitcher or catcher? Thanx. |
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