Who the HELL are you!!!?

[Andy]

Greg - the point of my previous post was that it really shouldn't matter whether you are in a rules or mechanics discussion with a raw rookie or NUS member or anyone in between. We are all umpires.

We have had this disucussion before, but the level of ball that you call does not necessarily lend you any more credibility as an umpire than the next guy. Some guys think "college ball" is the be all-end all of umpiring, but I have seen some people working college games that I would hesitate to use in the local rec leagues! We have had people working our HS state playoffs that should be doing freshman games.

All I'm trying to say is don't base your opinion of the postings on here on a posters "resume". Take each one, evaluate it on your own terms, use what you can, and toss the rest.

FWIW, I'm Andy, I live in Peoria, AZ. I am a FP only umpire at this time, but looking to start working in some SP tourneys to have a better handle on that side of the game. I have called in our state JC league for the past five years. I have been working ASA and HS ball for the last ten years. I am Vice-President of our local HS association. I have worked two ASA Men's Nationals, with a third to come in September. I have also worked several JO Western Nationals at different age levels.

I am proud of what I've done, but I know I can get better..that's what I'm shooting for!

[azbigdawg]

Ive never been too big on stating where Ive been or what Ive done...but

Im Darrell. I live in Gilbert, Arizona. Ive been umpiring since 1993, fast pitch since 2001..Ive been involved with 11 ASA nationals in some capacity (both fast and slow). I do a little JC ball on the side... DIE HARD ASA lover, despite its multiple and serious faults....

Theres more...but thats enough.....

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by azbigdawg

Ive never been too big on stating where Ive been or what Ive done...but

Im Darrell. I live in Gilbert, Arizona. Ive been umpiring since 1993, fast pitch since 2001..Ive been involved with 11 ASA nationals in some capacity (both fast and slow). I do a little JC ball on the side... DIE HARD ASA lover, despite its multiple and serious faults....

Theres more...but thats enough.....

Man, I must be a slacker. I started the same year as you, but I've only gone to one National so far.

[azbigdawg]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Man, I must be a slacker. I started the same year as you, but I've only gone to one National so far.

I got lucky with my regional UIC several years back, he pressured me into mastering both the 12" and 16" (sp) game...and in 2001 I learned the FP game...it kinda opens doors when you know both sides of the game. Ive also just been in the right place a few times..

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by azbigdawg

I got lucky with my regional UIC several years back, he pressured me into mastering both the 12" and 16" (sp) game...and in 2001 I learned the FP game...it kinda opens doors when you know both sides of the game. Ive also just been in the right place a few times..

Oh my!

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Man, I must be a slacker. I started the same year as you, but I've only gone to one National so far.

Ever try kissing some @$$?

jeez.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Ever try kissing some @$$?

jeez.

Phil's not my type.

Great guy, though. Honored that he gave me a chance.

[argodad]

If you really care...

I am Larry in Pensacola FL. I've been calling FP since 1993 (but didn't have much time get serious about it until I retired from the Navy and my DD finished her college career). I now call college, HS, ASA, and some local rec ball. 2008 was a great year -- Florida HS finals, Florida JUCO championships, and ASA/USA 12U Nationals.

Unfortunately, I had to sit out 2009 as I had my leg amputated in February. Once it (finally) heals, I'll be back on the dirt.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by argodad

If you really care...

I am Larry in Pensacola FL. I've been calling FP since 1993 (but didn't have much time get serious about it until I retired from the Navy and my DD finished her college career). I now call college, HS, ASA, and some local rec ball. 2008 was a great year -- Florida HS finals, Florida JUCO championships, and ASA/USA 12U Nationals.

Unfortunately, I had to sit out 2009 as I had my leg amputated in February. Once it (finally) heals, I'll be back on the dirt.

Hey, how's that coming along? I remember you mentioning it before. Healing okay?

[gumpire]

Originally Posted by Andy

Greg - the point of my previous post was that it really shouldn't matter whether you are in a rules or mechanics discussion with a raw rookie or NUS member or anyone in between. We are all umpires.

We have had this disucussion before, but the level of ball that you call does not necessarily lend you any more credibility as an umpire than the next guy. Some guys think "college ball" is the be all-end all of umpiring, but I have seen some people working college games that I would hesitate to use in the local rec leagues! We have had people working our HS state playoffs that should be doing freshman games.

All I'm trying to say is don't base your opinion of the postings on here on a posters "resume". Take each one, evaluate it on your own terms, use what you can, and toss the rest.

FWIW, I'm Andy, I live in Peoria, AZ. I am a FP only umpire at this time, but looking to start working in some SP tourneys to have a better handle on that side of the game. I have called in our state JC league for the past five years. I have been working ASA and HS ball for the last ten years. I am Vice-President of our local HS association. I have worked two ASA Men's Nationals, with a third to come in September. I have also worked several JO Western Nationals at different age levels.

I am proud of what I've done, but I know I can get better..that's what I'm shooting for!

Andy;
I'm trying hard to improve my game as well. My thread was begun as a way for me to know when I have been given the "official" ruling or just another opinion. It seems pointless to me to continue to raise my arguments why my opinion of a rule is valid and yours isn't, when in-fact, you are part of the rule make (and interpreting) authority.

I would rather know that that is who you are, accept the ruling, and apply it in the future.

If you are another umpire with a different opinion, your thoughts are appreciated but do not represent ASA (in my case).

I learn from all discussions, but I feel some are left open-ended and I, for one, would really appreciate a final "correct" ruling.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by gumpire

Andy;
I'm trying hard to improve my game as well. My thread was begun as a way for me to know when I have been given the "official" ruling or just another opinion. It seems pointless to me to continue to raise my arguments why my opinion of a rule is valid and yours isn't, when in-fact, you are part of the rule make (and interpreting) authority.

I would rather know that that is who you are, accept the ruling, and apply it in the future.

If you are another umpire with a different opinion, your thoughts are appreciated but do not represent ASA (in my case).

I learn from all discussions, but I feel some are left open-ended and I, for one, would really appreciate a final "correct" ruling.

You make a good point here: the anonymity of the internet. Those of us who have been on the forum a while have gotten to know who's who (for the most part). Unfortunately, we don't have name badges here other than our signatures, and not everyone uses them (or is willing to use them).

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by gumpire

Andy;
I'm trying hard to improve my game as well. My thread was begun as a way for me to know when I have been given the "official" ruling or just another opinion. It seems pointless to me to continue to raise my arguments why my opinion of a rule is valid and yours isn't, when in-fact, you are part of the rule make (and interpreting) authority.

I would rather know that that is who you are, accept the ruling, and apply it in the future.

If you are another umpire with a different opinion, your thoughts are appreciated but do not represent ASA (in my case).

I learn from all discussions, but I feel some are left open-ended and I, for one, would really appreciate a final "correct" ruling.

Well, pretty much the only uber umpire in Irish. The rest of use are just schmucks of varying levels. I would guess probably Altumpsteve is 2nd in the ASA hierarchy here, but still, hes not at the rank a Irish, but hes been around. If you got altumpsteve and irish telling you youre wrong, you can pretty much take it to the bank. Dakota is no slouch. I think Bigslick is pretty good on the NCAA stuff...

If WMB agrees with you, thats another good way to know ur wrong.

The rest of us, we just like to complicate it, if only for something to do.

[azbigdawg]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Well, pretty much the only uber umpire in Irish. The rest of use are just schmucks of varying levels. I would guess probably Altumpsteve is 2nd in the ASA hierarchy here, but still, hes not at the rank a Irish, but hes been around. If you got altumpsteve and irish telling you youre wrong, you can pretty much take it to the bank. Dakota is no slouch. I think Bigslick is pretty good on the NCAA stuff...

If WMB agrees with you, thats another good way to know ur wrong.

The rest of us, we just like to complicate it, if only for something to do.

Steve is overrated........

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by azbigdawg

Steve is overrated........

Don't be jealous over beer.

[azbigdawg]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Don't be jealous over beer.

That stuff wasnt beer. If it hadnt been for the good company, I would have run away......