2020, anyone?

[luvthegame]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

He will use only so cal umps. They are a dime a dozen. There are thousands in so cal. Its a non issue IMO. He will call whoever his ASA guy is and just ask for umps and they will send them because there are guys who want to make some bucks and hes paying pretty well.

So cal tourney with so cal umps.

This is interesting...

Gary Haning

Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:38 pm
Posts: 24 Re: Information about Premier Fastpitch Girls Softball
Wade,

I will not argue with you further about the tournament.

If you are going to make outlandish statements about the officials, your brethren, maybe you should look before you leap.

At this moment there are 24 men and woman committed to officiate our tournament. All 24 have NCAA DI post-season experience and they are from 11 states. I specifically stated a couple days ago that umpires are very important. Now of course you will say these umpires will not come as with teams.

I am hardly a Messiah, we have no interest nor intent to be the NGB for softball, you can rant and rave and obscure the real discussion by insulting me or the others who are working to make this a success but that probably won't get you your spot at Gold Nationals that you covet and it is just your opinion.


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ocbxball


Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:36 pm
Posts: 6 Re: Information about Premier Fastpitch Girls Softball

WOW (WADE) Chuck....open mouth...insert foot??

Will you ever have anything useful to offer again??

After all...it's only your reputation and credibility!!

I have heard only 5-6 SoCal Umps out of 32 overall.

They are NATIONAL....and QUALITY!!

[luvthegame]

I just found it interesting that a fellow "brethern" would cast such disparaging remarks on a fellow group of officials...especially a group reportedly this qualified...but that is just me...an (one) opinion!!

[azbigdawg]

Sweet mother of God...

Wade is a braying jackass....


but listen to him......he may actually be right

and Im smelling troll....


Mr. Troll..There is no "reportedly" to it..if you last long enough, you will know who some of these people are. Looks like you fell into your own trap about disparaging comments....

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by luvthegame

This is interesting...

Gary Haning

Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:38 pm
Posts: 24 Re: Information about Premier Fastpitch Girls Softball
Wade,

I will not argue with you further about the tournament.

If you are going to make outlandish statements about the officials, your brethren, maybe you should look before you leap.

At this moment there are 24 men and woman committed to officiate our tournament. All 24 have NCAA DI post-season experience and they are from 11 states. I specifically stated a couple days ago that umpires are very important. Now of course you will say these umpires will not come as with teams.

I am hardly a Messiah, we have no interest nor intent to be the NGB for softball, you can rant and rave and obscure the real discussion by insulting me or the others who are working to make this a success but that probably won't get you your spot at Gold Nationals that you covet and it is just your opinion.


Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:09 am


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ocbxball


Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:36 pm
Posts: 6 Re: Information about Premier Fastpitch Girls Softball

WOW (WADE) Chuck....open mouth...insert foot??

Will you ever have anything useful to offer again??

After all...it's only your reputation and credibility!!

I have heard only 5-6 SoCal Umps out of 32 overall.

They are NATIONAL....and QUALITY!!

Really?

Every since I saw forest gump shake hands with JFK, I just dont take everything I see at face value. I'm like Minnesota.... er.. Missouri.

I do find it humerous that you AND gary think calling so cal umps so cal umps is degrading.

I guess you belive that he is out running around getting umps assigned 11 months before the event. Thats what he is doing? Flying them in from 11 states.

You know, an umpire couldnt even list this thing on their resume, it means nothing. No one is jumping to do this. Its just a tourney.

Missouri.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Really?

Every since I saw forest gump shake hands with JFK, I just dont take everything I see at face value. I'm like Minnesota.... er.. Missouri.

I do find it humerous that you AND gary think calling so cal umps so cal umps is degrading.

I guess you belive that he is out running around getting umps assigned 11 months before the event. Thats what he is doing? Flying them in from 11 states.

You know, an umpire couldnt even list this thing on their resume, it means nothing. No one is jumping to do this. Its just a tourney.

Missouri.

It isn't impossible if he lined up someone at an NCAA Coordinator level to promise him 24 umpires with those credentials. He wouldn't know who, or where they are from, but I could name several people in his area that could make that promise. Could probably do it with the Fireworks umpire roster, as a matter of fact. But WN, DC-N, or SE in SoCal could do it, in addition to JV or DN (sorry for the initials, but these people may not want their name associated with this effort; I'm only saying they are well enough placed to make that type of umpire roster happen). There are probably others that I don't know (I'm assuming that the ASA staff would be conflicted out, but add DM, RA, MB, DB, and others).

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

It isn't impossible if he lined up someone at an NCAA Coordinator level to promise him 24 umpires with those credentials. He wouldn't know who, or where they are from, but I could name several people in his area that could make that promise. Could probably do it with the Fireworks umpire roster, as a matter of fact. But WN, DC-N, or SE in SoCal could do it, in addition to JV or DN (sorry for the initials, but these people may not want their name associated with this effort; I'm only saying they are well enough placed to make that type of umpire roster happen). There are probably others that I don't know (I'm assuming that the ASA staff would be conflicted out, but add DM, RA, MB, DB, and others).

Thats kind of what i was thinking, he lined up an assigner who made some promises. I'm dont care about the officials part of this. If I wasnt working nats I might even be willing to work it. Be a lot of good ball there!

[topper]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Really?

You know, an umpire couldnt even list this thing on their resume, it means nothing. No one is jumping to do this. Its just a tourney.

Missouri.

Who is "no one"? Have any idea who is working it? Probably some who have no need for a resume' or could'NT care less if the letters ASA appear on it.

Show me the roster, Missouri. Until then this statement means nothing.

Edited for those more perfect than me.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by topper

Who is "no one"? Have any idea who is working it? Probably some who have no need for a resume' or could care less if the letters ASA appear on it.

Really? How much less could they care?

[topper]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Really? How much less could they care?

I edited it for Your Highness. I'm sure you got my point, however.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by topper

Who is "no one"? Have any idea who is working it? Probably some who have no need for a resume' or could'NT care less if the letters ASA appear on it.

Show me the roster, Missouri. Until then this statement means nothing.

Edited for those more perfect than me.

You show me an umpire who is not competitive with his resume I'll show you an umpire who sucks..

Competition makes for excellence.
IMO...

[topper]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

You show me an umpire who is not competitive with his resume I'll show you an umpire who sucks..

Competition makes for excellence.
IMO...

I must suck then. Where you've been and what you've done are not as important as why you were chosen to be there to do it. An umpire's resume' alone tells me little about his/her ability to call ball. The proof is between the lines and their resume' and their game doesn't always match up.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by topper

I must suck then. Where you've been and what you've done are not as important as why you were chosen to be there to do it. An umpire's resume' alone tells me little about his/her ability to call ball. The proof is between the lines and their resume' and their game doesn't always match up.

No, because if you didnt care, you wouldnt meet the requirements, accept it, or go.. so it wouldnt even be on your resume. No one, for example, does a national for the money.

Because you dont make any money.

You wouldnt put out the EXTRA effort required to be seen, the money to go to the extra clinics, you wouldnt try to meet the requirements to be selected to begin with. All you would do is the minimum and cash your check. You care about building your resume and what you do to meet criteria if you are one who goes.. or you wouldnt even be there - because you wouldnt qualify.

[Andy]

I'm not going to presume to know anything about Gary and the inner workings of his organization. I do, however, know that he has one umpire in SoCal that schedules all of the umpires for the Surf City showcases and tournaments. It is not any of the people referred to by initals earlier.

My assumption is that this person would be doing most, if not all, of the scheduling for the Premier.

I'm with Wade...if I'm not working a national at that time, I wouldn't mind working this tournament.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

No, because if you didnt care, you wouldnt meet the requirements, accept it, or go.. so it wouldnt even be on your resume. No one, for example, does a national for the money.

Because you dont make any money.

You wouldnt put out the EXTRA effort required to be seen, the money to go to the extra clinics, you wouldnt try to meet the requirements to be selected to begin with. All you would do is the minimum and cash your check. You care about building your resume and what you do to meet criteria if you are one who goes.. or you wouldnt even be there - because you wouldnt qualify.

I agree with what you have written here ONLY if the part I underlined is true.

There are many other reasons than just not caring about his craft or looking only for money why an umpire does not pursue building a resume.

[DNTXUM P]

Originally Posted by luvthegame

This is interesting...


ocbxball


Joined: Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:36 pm
Posts: 6 Re: Information about Premier Fastpitch Girls Softball

WOW (WADE) Chuck....open mouth...insert foot??

Will you ever have anything useful to offer again??

After all...it's only your reputation and credibility!!

I have heard only 5-6 SoCal Umps out of 32 overall.

They are NATIONAL....and QUALITY!!

Hey, Smoke. Can I come? I'll bring the fat tire and give you another ump from out of state