2020, anyone?

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by luvthegame

Fences are to be 200 min to 225 max. The Gold coaches played all summer on 200 foot fences...including qualifiers and last years Gold tournament.

That is, at best, only partly true. I know for a fact that some Gold Qualifiers THIS YEAR were played at 225'; fact, the Eastern Territory Qualifier played in Marietta was played at 225'. All games, all 10 fields used, all set with temporary fences at 225'.

To the best of my knowledge and information, the National Qualifier held in OKC, also held at the HOF Complex, was also played at 225'. Yep, the same fencing at the same complex, just a few weeks earlier. So, couldn't it equally be said that the teams/complexes/TD's that played at 200', the minimum, were wrong??

So, if they moved the fences to the 200' that you claim ALL qualifiers all summer long, wouldn't the teams that played at 225' have the exact same complaint, that the fences were moved from where they played their qualifier??

The rule allows a range of legal distances, to allow more fields with fixed fences to meet the requirements. Why is that so difficult?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

...Why is that so difficult?

It's not difficult; in fact, it is convenient. It allows one more thing to be added to the list of grievances used to add up to an inflated sense of being wronged.

Boil it down and all I've read in this thread for the reasons come pretty close to "I'm not in charge and Cali is not being paid proper homage by being made to travel to God-forsaken Oklahoma."

Nonetheless, the organizers of the Gold National should pay attention because there might actually be things in there they could improve... such as using more fields to shorten the tournament.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dakota

It's not difficult; in fact, it is convenient. It allows one more thing to be added to the list of grievances used to add up to an inflated sense of being wronged.

Boil it down and all I've read in this thread for the reasons come pretty close to "I'm not in charge and Cali is not being paid proper homage by being made to travel to God-forsaken Oklahoma."

Nonetheless, the organizers of the Gold National should pay attention because there might actually be things in there they could improve... such as using more fields to shorten the tournament.

I agree it definately rings of a Cali power move. So many east coast teams jumping on board though...

So thats why we need the coaches committee to make sure Ca does not barrell over the east coast in terms of whats beneficial to ASA as a whole. There may come a point when these teams just simply get let go and ASA move forward. What SoCal wants may not be best nationwide.

if there were ONLY ca teams on the list, my answer would be "let them go and rot". I have a lot of dealings with CA coaches and I know exactly how many are. One of the striking things of working in Georgia was being called "sir". I dont think CA coaches even know that word and I dont think I'd ever been called that by a coach before going to Georgia. Thats a indicitive of attitude and manners. Its much more than that, but you get the point.

Its not just CA teams though.. its most of the top from all the states..

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Nonetheless, the organizers of the Gold National should pay attention because there might actually be things in there they could improve... such as using more fields to shorten the tournament.

8 fields were used for two day (well, day and a half) pool play. All double elimination (which started on Tuesday) was played on four fields.

I worked the same exact tournament on an 8 field complex in 2002 (ironically in OK, but not OKC), I believe my tournament was one day shorter. Anyone want to take a guess who won that year?

And yes, it was hot, and we had rain, and it was hot.

Allow me to speculate for a minute, I bet, somewhere in the JO committee minutes, coaches complained about the tournament being too compact.

Sometimes you can't give everybody what you want.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

That is, at best, only partly true. I know for a fact that some Gold Qualifiers THIS YEAR were played at 225'; fact, the Eastern Territory Qualifier played in Marietta was played at 225'. All games, all 10 fields used, all set with temporary fences at 225'.

To the best of my knowledge and information, the National Qualifier held in OKC, also held at the HOF Complex, was also played at 225'. Yep, the same fencing at the same complex, just a few weeks earlier. So, couldn't it equally be said that the teams/complexes/TD's that played at 200', the minimum, were wrong??

So, if they moved the fences to the 200' that you claim ALL qualifiers all summer long, wouldn't the teams that played at 225' have the exact same complaint, that the fences were moved from where they played their qualifier??

The rule allows a range of legal distances, to allow more fields with fixed fences to meet the requirements. Why is that so difficult?

you should go debunk them.. you know all this stuff.. and they get away with their talking apoints because noone else knows the truth or will post it.