2020, anyone?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by luvthegame

Listen and read carefully....it is sometimes beneficial...more so than vulgarity...was that an attempt to add emphasis?? Make yourself HEARD!!!!!!

Vulgarity is all in the recipient's mind so you might want to get it out of the gutter.

Fences are to be 200 min to 225 max. The Gold coaches played all summer on 200 foot fences...including qualifiers and last years Gold tournament. They show up this year and the fences are 225...without any consultation or prior notification...not even a bold print....highlight...posting on a website...or note in a separate section of the book...but a significant CHANGE from their previous events!!
Kinda like the fine print at the bottom of an advertisement... that frustrates us and changes the whole value of a product?

So what? It is posted and part of the rules, THERE IS YOUR NOTIFICATION! CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I'm sure you can, but it isn't something you want to hear because it doesn't fit well with your whine. It is this simple, the coaches and players agreed to that fence distance before they even started the season and ASA has that agreement in writing.

But this is just one example of the customers frustration...there are several more as has been discussed and documented.....

The bottom line is that these frustrations are real with these patrons regardless of what you THINK... and they got mad as hell and aren't gonna take it anymore!!

The "frustrations" are self-inflicted. All the information is out there well in advance. There is no excuse for any surprises other than one's laziness or ignorance. I've run into people like this all my life. They cannot get their way, so they take the bat and ball and go home.

I am just a messenger Mike....and have been called worse than "full of **** " by more significant men (and women) than you....and thats OK...sometimes it is accurate!!

Yet, you accuse me of something I did not do. I simply asked if you were as full of **** as your posts. Any conclusion is yours, not mine.

Thats why I like my dog....he doesn't call me names...and wags his tail when he see's me....He still pisses and craps on the porch though..when left out in the cold or dark!! But I still like him.

Yeah, I like my goldens, also. Of course, I don't leave them out in the cold and dark and they relieve themselves where trained to do so. And they are always happy and always happy to do a little extra work.

By the way...have you ever rode a horse?

This should be a good one. Yes, I have ridden a horse.

[luvthegame]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Vulgarity is all in the recipient's mind so you might want to get it out of the gutter.



So what? It is posted and part of the rules, THERE IS YOUR NOTIFICATION! CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I'm sure you can, but it isn't something you want to hear because it doesn't fit well with your whine. It is this simple, the coaches and players agreed to that fence distance before they even started the season and ASA has that agreement in writing.



The "frustrations" are self-inflicted. All the information is out there well in advance. There is no excuse for any surprises other than one's laziness or ignorance. I've run into people like this all my life. They cannot get their way, so they take the bat and ball and go home.

Yet, you accuse me of something I did not do. I simply asked if you were as full of **** as your posts. Any conclusion is yours, not mine.



Yeah, I like my goldens, also. Of course, I don't leave them out in the cold and dark and they relieve themselves where trained to do so. And they are always happy and always happy to do a little extra work.



This should be a good one. Yes, I have ridden a horse.

Thats what I thought!!!

[luvthegame]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Vulgarity is all in the recipient's mind so you might want to get it out of the gutter.



So what? It is posted and part of the rules, THERE IS YOUR NOTIFICATION! CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? I'm sure you can, but it isn't something you want to hear because it doesn't fit well with your whine. It is this simple, the coaches and players agreed to that fence distance before they even started the season and ASA has that agreement in writing.



The "frustrations" are self-inflicted. All the information is out there well in advance. There is no excuse for any surprises other than one's laziness or ignorance. I've run into people like this all my life. They cannot get their way, so they take the bat and ball and go home.

Yet, you accuse me of something I did not do. I simply asked if you were as full of **** as your posts. Any conclusion is yours, not mine.



Yeah, I like my goldens, also. Of course, I don't leave them out in the cold and dark and they relieve themselves where trained to do so. And they are always happy and always happy to do a little extra work.



This should be a good one. Yes, I have ridden a horse.

OK....your right and all the gold teams and coaches are whiners and full of crap!!

And as a result teams from Virginia to New Jersey to Texas to Florida to Washington to California are leaving OKC and taking their balls and bats and going to California to play!!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by luvthegame

OK....your right and all the gold teams and coaches are whiners and full of crap!!

And as a result teams from Virginia to New Jersey to Texas to Florida to Washington to California are leaving OKC and taking their balls and bats and going to California to play!!

And that is fine, but why is it these folks refuse to address the true issue that is at the core of this?

You talk about ASA not listening, the customer doesn't want to talk. They just want everyone to accommodate their self-serving plans and screw everyone else including the association's mission.

[wadeintothem]

I for one would love to know why these teams are bailing on the championship to go play some lame so cal friendly.. and it is ALL the top teams.
You guys (steve and mike) seem up to speed on the ins and outs/politics much more than me ... but something definately smells fishy in denmark.


It just cant be fences and $100 fees to freakin Div 1 & 2 college programs. Thats the most retarded thing i've ever heard.

The money and expense of OKC is about the only legit thing I 've heard. Thats a real deal.
College players is a thorn in the paw.
These two things are enabling gary and IMO need to be fixed...but there has to be more.

But if someone could tell me without their lame bs talking points how the hell they got all those top programs to go man I'm all ears. (not you luvthegame, I've already read the talking points memo, I dont buy it).

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

But if someone could tell me without their lame bs talking points how the hell they got all those top programs to go man I'm all ears. (not you luvthegame, I've already read the talking points memo, I dont buy it).

It is all about the scholarship. Playing competitive ball for a national championship with the best players available is not conducive to the promises made to the player's parents.

IMO, these teams would rather "show" their players than play to win a national championship which, like it or not, is part of ASA's mission.

[luvthegame]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

It is all about the scholarship. Playing competitive ball for a national championship with the best players available is not conducive to the promises made to the player's parents.

IMO, these teams would rather "show" their players than play to win a national championship which, like it or not, is part of ASA's mission.

Not a "showcase". There will be a bracket and a championship....a champion crowned from amongst the best youth teams in the nation...so what if it doesn't have the name ASA in it? It's still the best of the best.

All done in 5 days. And probably on TV.

We hope to play all championships on the same day at the Bill Barber Stadium, we have some very promising talks going about these games being televised, at least on a delayed basis. NO FALSE PROMISES, NOTHING IS CERTAIN AS TO TV.

There will be no gate passes nor entrance fees for spectators. College coaches will be fed and informed and not asked to pay for a booklet.

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[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by luvthegame

Not a "showcase". There will be a bracket and a championship....a champion crowned from amongst the best youth teams in the nation...so what if it doesn't have the name ASA in it? It's still the best of the best.

All done in 5 days. And probably on TV.

We hope to play all championships on the same day at the Bill Barber Stadium, we have some very promising talks going about these games being televised, at least on a delayed basis. NO FALSE PROMISES, NOTHING IS CERTAIN AS TO TV.

There will be no gate passes nor entrance fees for spectators. College coaches will be fed and informed and not asked to pay for a booklet.

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Denial is a ***** especially when others know it.

Of course, it is a showcase. If it wasn't, rosters would be open, but they are not. They are restricted to recruitable players who must PROVE they are in HS or at that level if home schooled.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

It is all about the scholarship. Playing competitive ball for a national championship with the best players available is not conducive to the promises made to the player's parents.

IMO, these teams would rather "show" their players than play to win a national championship which, like it or not, is part of ASA's mission.

I guess thats it.
Show case after showcase culminating in a glorified showcase. Sure beats playing competitive ball to earn your way to a championship. I guess easier. A bunch of 1:20 drop dead showcases. Definitely cheaper, which I'm sure is the big motivation. I am competitive by nature so I may not fully grasp this. I never did understand how girls can cheer while losing.