[ASA Co-Ed] No advance on IFR?

[Stat-Man]

Am I missing something or is it true that in ASA Co-Ed Ball, runners can't advance on an infield fly. I couldn't believe it when I heard the umpire call that out. When asked, he replied that ASA does not allow advances on an infield fly.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

Am I missing something or is it true that in ASA Co-Ed Ball, runners can't advance on an infield fly. I couldn't believe it when I heard the umprie call that out. When asked, he replied that ASA does not allow advances on an infield fly.

Horsecrap. Runners may advance at their own risk. If the ball is caught, runners must tag up. If the ball is not caught, runners do not need to tag up. That's ASA 8-4-L.

[Stat-Man]

NCASAUmp:

Thanks for validating what I thought was correct. I thought he was mistaken. But sometimes all one can do as a team member is just smile and go along with whatever the umpire says, even if it's the latest rule myth du jour.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

NCASAUmp:

Thanks for validating what I thought was correct. I thought he was mistaken. But sometimes all one can do as a team member is just smile and go along with whatever the umpire says, even if it's the latest rule myth du jour.

Well, you might want to check with the local league to see if they have a local rule regarding the IFF. This sounds like something a local league might institute.

Sorry, should have mentioned that before...

[vcblue]

I love it, "even if it's the latest rule myth du jour"

Hopefully it was a local league rule this umpire was following, otherwise he really kicked it worse than a dead guy could. Speaking of which, had an IF last night in a coed wreck league that fell to the ground right in front of the SS since he and the 3B were saying "I got it, no, you got it" to each other. Runners actually advanced when the ball hit the ground, and the SS threw it to 2B. No tag, safe call. Everyone looked at me like they couldn't believe the call. I said, PU already called the IF and batter's out so there's no batter-runner. Defense still couldn't believe the call. R2 now standing on 2B gleefully jumping up and down since she was FINALLY safe at 2B this late in the year, first time for her. That was the probably the highlight of the night.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Well, you might want to check with the local league to see if they have a local rule regarding the IFF. This sounds like something a local league might institute.

Sorry, should have mentioned that before...

It's ok.

To answer the question, our local rules do not modify the infield fly rule.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

It's ok.

To answer the question, our local rules do not modify the infield fly rule.

Then your umpire was high as a kite when he made that call.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

Am I missing something or is it true that in ASA Co-Ed Ball, runners can't advance on an infield fly. I couldn't believe it when I heard the umprie call that out. When asked, he replied that ASA does not allow advances on an infield fly.

Not trying to be a jerk here with my reply, but I've got to ask....
Why no ASA rule book in your bag so you could check the rule question after the game?
We all get hit with stuff that comes up during games that raises questions in our minds, many times seemingly simple sitches like yours that get more muddled due to a stubborn partner, obsteniate coach, or our own brain just "locking-up" on something we know as well as our own name. Looking it uo in the book right after the game ends the answers the question, clears our mind on the rule, and locks it into your memory bank forever.
Not trying

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Not trying to be a jerk here with my reply, but I've got to ask....
Why no ASA rule book in your bag so you could check the rule question after the game?
We all get hit with stuff that comes up during games that raises questions in our minds, many times seemingly simple sitches like yours that get more muddled due to a stubborn partner, obsteniate coach, or our own brain just "locking-up" on something we know as well as our own name. Looking it uo in the book right after the game ends the answers the question, clears our mind on the rule, and locks it into your memory bank forever.
Not trying

If you'll read Stat-Man's OP, he was playing in this game.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

If you'll read Stat-Man's OP, he was playing in this game.

Apologies...my error.
I still encounter too many P's who never carry a book though.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

"If you'll read Stat-Man's OP, he was playing in this game."

-- Actually, I was our team's first base coach. Seeing I have not seriosuly swung a bat since 9th grade PE class, this probably the best position for me to be on offense However, I would be willing to sub into the game as a last resrot if it would be difference between the team playing shorthanded or not.

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Why no ASA rule book in your bag so you could check the rule question after the game?

-- Last year, I was not given our team's ASA rule book. So, as I made a transition from having strictly NFHS FP experience to the recreational SP game, I had a lot of questions to ask here. Even though I am not an umpire, I believe that being rules-knowledgeable helps to make what I do easier.

I do have our team's ASA rule book packed away in my softball bag this year, but I would think having out in the bench area or with me in the first base box would not look good to the umpire. Also, it was the opposing team batting when this IFR was invoked with the statement runners cannot advance. Therefore, it was their protest to make.

I'd just as soon save the onsite rule book consultation for something serious and protest-worthy; an IFR myth with the runners not even making an attempt to advance would not be one of those situations (to me anyways).

Yes, I have fetched a rulebook or league rule handout in situations where an official wanted to see a rule change in writing (because there was a dispute over a basketball rule change last fall) or in our CYO basketball league since each level has its own rules regarding pressing and substitutions and the officials want to see what the rules for that particular level are before enforcing them. Aside from that, I try to stick to the philosphy that rule books should be kept packed away during a game. The only exception is our public middle school league, which recommends having the league-specific rules readily available for the officials.

If I have a rule issue that I need to research, I usually wait until I return home. However, I will ask questions here if I'm not 100% sure since my SP experience is limited to 25 games at the moment and someone with more SP rules experience may know something I don't or know something about the co-ed specific rules I don't.

[NCASAUmp]

Be that as it may, Stat-Man, your attitude on here has made you more than welcome to ask your questions.